The True Summer – True Winter Divide

When Tina first learned she was a True Summer, she encountered the same roadblock that can stump most, probably all, newly identified True Summers. How do I know this colour is Summer, not Winter?

Have a look at previous articles Matching The Swatch Book: Blue and Matching The Swatch Book: Coral. Both were written to help with that.

Today will be about the True Seasons, but most of it could apply to any of the related Summer – Winter groups, so Light Summer with Bright Winter and Soft Summer with Dark Winter. If you’re thinking, How are those related?

Light Summer and Bright Winter both start from a pure cool colour palette, Summer and Winter, respectively. Then they move over one position in the same direction, towards Spring. To look at the colours, the same amount of the same kind of heat gets added to each one.

Soft Summer and Dark Winter move from their pure cool True Seasons by adding the same amount of the same kind of heat, that is, Autumn’s.

The blue book in the right sidebar, RTYNC, explains this in more detail. It also includes the map below. Like on a colour wheel, relationships exist beside and across.

For the True Summer and Winter, we’re working with colours where you cannot see one bit of heat. Not vanilla, watery sun, pale dust, white gold, certainly no beige, no tan, no orange, and yellow under certain conditions (coolness). True Summer is skim milk white. Its light colours seem more colorful than Winter because Winter lights have so little pigment, to create the icy look. Summer lights are pastels, by definition meaning they contain more colour pigment and are softened by being grayed. There is no such thing as an icy pastel that I know.

True Summer has a pretty big range of darkness. It would not reach to black or white but can get quite close in ghost and dark grey.

Tina’s Sportswear for True Summer

Tina has a fine understanding of True Summer. My favorite feeling about this Season is its freshness. If I start getting a sensation of weight or thickness, my own interpretation of the Season doesn’t jive. I love the green and pink hoodies bottom right, the blue bag and sleeveless top, the pink shorts, the long dress. All really good.

The turquoise racerback tank might be a little bright (saturated) and a good example of what adding just a little Spring yellow does – so, I’d put that guy in Light Summer. But does it bother my eye in this collection? Not at all.

When you think about adding water to colour, you appreciate that it can become diluted and less saturated without losing its clean feeling? True Summer is like that. There isn’t so much gray that it looks like it got put in the dark wash. It does have some bluish-greying, but not enough to take the colour down very far. So for me, the pink hoodie top L, the Nike logo Tshirt and sweatshirt, the grey-mauve shirt and jeans all feel heavy – could that be fabric, pattern, texture, and shape? Sure, they all influence how we perceive colour. If your opinion is different from mine, that doesn’t mean it’s wrong.

 

True Summer Sportswear

 

Tina broke down her early trouble spots into four great questions. She also took the bigger and better learning step of making her own Polyvores that we can talk about. I want her know how much we appreciate her willingness to just listen to any comment, agree or disagree. Easy to say, not easy to do.

1) In a previous color system, I was analyzed a Winter (this happened to me!) How will I know if a color is just too much for me to handle?

Others will see the colour before they see you. And their eye will keep being dragged back to the colour. At first, you or your shopping friends may not be able to know they’re seeing this. In the mirror, consider if your head really matches your body. Is one darker, thicker, heavier, blockier than the other or does there seem to be an easy rapport between them, like they belong together? When we look at outfits we often stare at the fit of the clothes and totally ignore the head attached to the top. Many hairstylists are masterful at this. They stand back and look at the hair creation and have blurred out the face in the center.

You may feel overpowered, as if you look smaller or weaker. You may feel tired. If you’re used to going about in Winter colours, you’ve accommodated this and learned to compensate. It won’t be something you can feel immediately on the road back.

Look for repeats of the colours of the item in your face, eyes, lips, or hair. This is hard to do and can be very ambiguous, but there are women who can sense this. Makes no difference in the world if you can’t.

True Summer’s natural colouring, features, and expression tend to have a gentleness. When they greet someone, they put them at ease. Winter colours won’t give you the feeling of relaxing.

True Summer can look ok in Winter light colours. Why not? They’re light and cool, that’s two things Summer does well with. But the iciness of Winter will positively glare on the Summer, while her face seems grayer (and her teeth too – whatever happens to the skin happens to the teeth and whites of the eyes), like her head is 2 feet back behind her body.

Your face will seem pale or tired, perhaps even bruised under the eyes, what you’d see if you suddenly put on a way too dark wig.

The shadows along the sides of the nose look darker in Winter colour, especially the dark colours. That shadow extends up to the inner corner of the eye. Darkness, as you know, recedes, making the inner corner of the eye seem collapsed backward. I believe that our eyes are the focal point of our entire being. Nothing should ever interfere with the other person’s ability to reach them.

When you shop, bring or wear a colour that you know works, a scarf maybe. If there’s a colour you’re not sure of, float your hand over the good colour about an inch. Relax your eyes and just let them take in the youth of the hand, the texture of the skin, the prominence of veins, the redness or wrinkles over knuckles. Hold the gaze for 10 or 15 seconds. Now switch your hand over the fabric you’re testing. Don’t over-analyze. Just ask yourself, step forward or step back? Which is the younger, fresher, cleaner, plumper, prettier shaped hand?

Black is a comparison thing just like other colours are, but when you’re seeing true black you know it, as “OK, now this is definitely black.” If you’re sure, it’s Winter. If you’re not sure, it could be Summer’s darkest gray. Summer doesn’t go quite that dark really, but if you need to buy pants, a little too dark but not black would get you through the day.

In Nature, even the darkest shadow doesn’t go to black in the daytime. (For those who have RTYNC, Summer is like noontime light, right?) It’s because of the amount of light, for one thing. True Summer landscapes are always backlit a bit from the sky overhead, despite the sun being hidden behind clouds, or from light filtering in from around or behind the image itself.

Also, maybe shadows don’t go to black because so many colours go into making a shadow. If you held a card painted with a pitch black X inside a True Summer grey shadow, you could still make out the X.

By fanning out your True Summer swatches and moving a pure black shape over it, your eye will pick out why black doesn’t fit. Eyes seem very good at picking out even close saturation differences, which is why black mascara never quite belongs on any Summer face. The viewer sees the eyelashes and then the face, perhaps the goal for believers in magazine ads.

Tina’s Evening Wear for True Summer

This is beautiful. There are light, medium, and dark options. In the purse top R, I usually look for a pink, blue, or mauve tone in True Summer grey, but this one would work fine. The delicate crafstmanship and attention to detail is Summer all over. The long purple in the center is good too, not over-saturated when you enlarge it (because it has a trace of heather, Winter would have none). The white dress on the model lower R, I’m not sure. Polyvore often loses colour and detail on light items. As it is, I think of Winter white because the background is True Summer and see how the dress glares? Couldn’t find a better example of what Winter white does on a True Summer face. The green feathery dress in the center gives me Soft Summer feelings of over-grayness, but again, it’s a fabric issue too.

True Summer Evening wear

 

2) What is the difference between too saturated and not saturated enough?

I’ll let Tina’s Polyvore below show you that. Colour is all about comparison and this is so well done. Winter colours look like straight pigment. You couldn’t talk yourself into dustiness if you tried. Ask yourself, Do I feel like a sheet of this colour could stop me from moving through it or even push me backwards?

“Not saturated enough” is a really good point. Where do you tip into Soft Summer? I can’t explain the saturation cut-off verbally. You need your Colour Book swatches. More useful for me is that colour gets warmer in Soft Summer, not just softer. You can see the slightest overlay of taupe over all the colours, even the blues and greens. True Summer may look coolly grayed but you don’t sense heat. That heat feels heavy, like chocolate milk compared to skim.

Remember that it’s not just a saturation question between True Summer and True Winter. Winter contains a lot more red.

Tina’s True Summer vs. True Winter

True Summer vs. Winter

 

3) Even when I was diagnosed a Winter before, I loved the colors, but whenever I saw a whole garment those shades, I always shied away from it and picked something “quieter”. Am I right to always trust that instinct?

The vet in me finds the word ‘diagnosed’ very original in this context, like something you wouldn’t want to have. Is this the subconscious at work? :)

About trusting the instinct: Yes! Understanding that True Summer is too often thought of as lavender and Wedgewood blue and not much else. True Summer is never in your face, even its darker versions.

Putting more than two Winter colours together could look like colour shock. Putting True Summer colours together looks lovely, like a place you’d want to stay awhile.

And understanding that too much quieter could take you into Soft Summer’s cooler palette, if you see grayness as quiet. I do, and I also see it as thicker. True Summer is not syrupy. It is fresh and clean as lily-of-the-valley. It’s silky cool, like perfume evaporating on your skin, like walking into air conditioning when it’s hot out, like feeling cool lemonade slip down your throat after an hour of gardening. It’s comfortable coolness.

Winter is much more serious. It’s more likely to interrupt. Summer colours will listen to you and offer caring advice. Winter may have learned the patience for that, key word, learned, but they still sidestep the emotion. A heart-to-heart on the porch swing don’t fit into its colour scene.

If you’re wearing your Summer items to shop and you try on something Winter, the rest of your outfit will seem drab and dishwater, when it looked elegant and perfect before. When two things do not belong together, they drive each other further apart. Which is why I can’t see why we’re told to wear eyeglasses that oppose our face shape to “balance” us. Reese in John Lennon glasses? IDK. What was so bad about our face shape to start with that we need to cancel it out?

4) Some of the makeup selections for True Summer feel and look dull to me. What is the best way to overcome this?

Perception – easily among my top favorite topics! I feel the floodgates letting go.

As with all things colour, everything is comparative. Dull next to what? Next to the parrot colours at the counter? Next to Winter colours? Well, you know, so does a True Summer person look softer (no way I’m saying dull, no human being ever looks dull, every colour story is equally spellbinding – do you find Winter people more interesting beings? NO. Nor are their looks.) On a Winter colouring, that makeup would look uninspired. But on the Summer face, they look as balanced and natural and healthy and vital and vibrant as the Winter woman’s do on her. Trust me. I never lie, whatever the cost.

There are too many negative colour associations in the world. Black is slimmer. Dark is stronger. Bold is more passionate. Vibrant is healthier. We even believe some of this. Well, they’re not. Colour doesn’t judge bold or indecisive. It just is. Clouds are not less beautiful than sunsets. They’re just clouds and sunsets and that’s how we appreciate them. We don’t walk in a forest saying, This tree is more beautiful than that tree. We don’t say, A tree in summer is more beautiful because the swaying of the leaves look so inviting compared to the simple shape of the wintertime tree. They’re all special for the way they grew, the way they are, just because they’re there. People too. Colours too.

Consider it from the opposite side. True Winter makeup will look inflated, even bigger and even darker and even redder, on a Summer face. Parrot feathers on a dove does not look good. It’s not ugly. There is no ugly. What it looks like is forever separate. They can’t mesh. By putting them together, both the dove and the feathers are reduced. They cannot penetrate each other and become one and the same, that sensation women experience so deeply when they see themselves in their most beautiful colours, as if releasing the drape at that moment would lose contact with some long-lost part of themselves they have only just found.

By adding to yourself more of what you already are, it’s like using you to support you even more. That’s where real strength comes from, right? It is not out there somewhere. Only you elevate and strengthen the very uniqueness and specialness of you.

Tina’s Personal Picks for True Summer

I have nothing to say that could add to this. All I mean by a place you’d want to stay awhile.

My personal picks!

 

Colours, Kibbes, and Types

Many of us have been exposed to various colour and style paradigms by now, so many artists and thinkers. We look for one colour or image system to have all the answers, but not one of them is all right or all wrong. Each one lets us gather a few new clues our identity. Unless the system has 7 billion of them, not every word in any of them will fit any one person. Lines, colours, conscience, thoughts, shapes all feed into our final what? Voltage? Altitude? Energy is a good word but overuse had blunted its meaning. We are energetic beings, each a unique force field emitting one synchronous wavelength, like walking radio towers, receivers and transmitters. And resistors and capacitors, come to think of it. We are beginning to understand what this means and we’re drawn to it like bugs to light.

The best thing about what I do is the privilege of being taught by people the world over who share their questions and answers with me. I am truly and deeply humbled by that honesty and generosity. I love talking to my friend, Darren. So sensible and smart, and he has experienced most systems you can name. He can pull together the details and the big picture into real world advice. He said,

What I see is different artists’ take on the same subject and from different angles. Everyone has their spin. Personally, I don’t have the time or the money to try to include every color in every palette that I have so for the moment I’m sticking with Jennifer Butler’s, if not just for the sake of self discipline and to see how creative and far I can stretch myself within those parameters. In the end my goal is that everything will eventually fall away and I will learn to trust my own eyes and my own inner guidance completely. I mean think about it. We both [all] artists in our own right with our own way of seeing the world.

So I guess what I’m saying is that these people are great at pointing the way but they can’t take the journey for us. We all have to do that ourselves. In the end we have to do what it takes to make ourselves into who we would like to see, lose our own weight, and accept our own limitations, and be OK with it. At some point we have to accept that we know enough to relax and just be. Who wants to spend all their time trying to figure out what to wear so they can go shopping.

 

I wrote RTYNC, the book pictured on the right side. I get told, I doubt my PCA because my personality is off from what you wrote. Don’t do that!!

I get asked, Wearing my colours as exotic or tribal feels all wrong on me. Does that mean I’m not Dark Autumn? NO!!! Trust the analysis. I painted word pictures that feel right to me but they cannot possibly apply to every Dark Autumn, all 7 billion divided by 12 of them.

I see women asking, How can I have dark hair and be Light Summer? But it’s relative. Your hair isn’t dark compared to 95% of Winters, it’s just darker than many Light Summers. We know our hair colours aren’t necessarily in our swatch book. Doesn’t mean it’s suddenly inconsistent or that your analysis was wrong.

In our truths lie our strengths. What is true about you is what is strong about you. That’s why it feels so important to look for it. In our untruths lie our weaknesses. Which is why looking unnatural, like you could never have happened that way without really interfering with Nature’s plan, communicates to me as scattered energy. Real and right looks grounded and therefore strong. If it ‘s true that allowing ourselves to behave with false words and actions makes us weak, and it is, how does it not follow about our appearance?

So, do dark Summers look good in black? Not to me because black communicates absolutely nothing that is true about them. Not unattractive. You are never ever that. Besides, it will make the rest of your clothes in the colours that actually look beautiful on you suddenly appear old, tired, and sort of defeated, as will the skin tone. And will your dearest friends or salespeople tell you this? No, my sister, they won’t. The purpose of a compliment is to make you feel better, not to share truth. Wait 6 months and show them a photo of you in black and you in bluewater grey, they won’t pick the black.

Unlearning is harder than learning. There was a time when we didn’t hold ourselves up to any standard but our own. And then the fight went out of us, media got too big in our minds, but we can remember the simplicity of those days. We see it in our children. It’s time to go back there.

My Summer friends tell me they want more ooomph, they feel so blended. Tina brought up a great point about yellow in hair. Unless you came by it on your own, not only is it too yellow against your skin, it’s too light. The dewy deep pink blush goes out of your cheeks and you live in a NoRightColourLand between True and Light Summer. Once the hair is back to its natural darkness, the makeup intensity can go up to balance that, right to where it should be. Your colours have all the ooomph they should have on your face. In a hairstyle that looks loose and released, you bring your lovely grace to a room with no soldier overtones to mix us up.

I’m not always a very good friend. Not good at making calls, making time. Not even a very good wife. My husband and I both married the strong, silent type. True Summers number the highest among my best friends and trusted counselors. There is something in that character that I need, that we all need. The higher tuning of their heart brings balance to the higher tuning of my head. They’re like the bed of roses I can fall into, finally exhale, and feel safe. Please don’t disguise yourselves. We’ll still see you but won’t understand why you’re retracting your gift. You are everything that the word Grace means on Earth, one of the most powerful words in any language.

We communicate so much more by our appearance than our words. What others sense is how synchronous our cumulative energy is. Call that energy whatever term pleases you, it represents everything about a lifeforce that is more than just a body. We all agree that we can feel something bigger in ourselves and others than the space we take up. We are the size of the space that we have presence and influence in, the meaning of expanded consciousness. The Sci\ART colour analysis is an accurate measuring tool that taps into one of that realms. Your perfect lipstick is only the beginning. Who could feel the door to their best self open and not be speechlessly drawn forward?

 

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34 thoughts on “The True Summer – True Winter Divide”

  1. Yet another wonderful post Christine! What Kibbe do you think Anne is? She reminds me of a slightly thinner version of myself. (I realize Kibbe is quite different than the 4 types, but just curious what you think).

  2. That is a really interesting post! I read somewhere that Kate Middleton is a cool summer, but now that you wrote soft summer makes more sense – her coloring resembles Katie Holmes. I have been watching the TV series Once Upon a Time and I am always amazed by Ginnifer Goodwin coloring. Would she be a cool summer, or perhaps a bright winter?

  3. Hi Christine, As an avid follower of your site, I read every single post, and with each new one you bring an even more all encompassing, relieving perspective that addresses the issues that categorisation can sometimes bring up. I have looked into Carol Tuttles profiles, and I’m very confused because I think I may be a Type 1, even though I’m a Soft Summer. I think it’s definitely worth looking into how these two philosophies correlate, (huh, maybe I’m more of a Type 2 than I think??) because the colours and styles proposed in the DYT online shop totally match the 4 seasons. If I respect my SS palette, nothing from the Type 1 shop would suit me, which I find VERY disconcerting. But I like the idea of understanding and accepting others for their idiosyncracies and the whole mental processes thing really stands out to me as being pertinent. So anything more you have to say on the subject will be wholeheartedly taken on board.

  4. Hi, Christine:

    When I was alerted to this on your blog via FB, I had noooo idea a whole post would be created around the emails I had sent you. This lovely description should serve as the definitive answer to the quest of finding proper TSu colors. In my experience it does get much easier with time. Thank you so much for pleasantly surprising me with this!

    Tina

  5. This is a beautifully written post. I’m trying to extrapolate from the True Summer – True Winter divide to True Spring – True Autumn to suit my purposes (a TSp). Tina’s polyvores are terrific, especially the TSu – TW comparisons.

  6. Christine and Tina: I so appreciate the generosity of your time and effort. Christine, Your explanations are very poetic, practical, and so very different than what one usually finds on other color analysis blogs. I have your book and have read it several times and now have notes all over it along with highlights. Few people can use words the way you do to paint a picture. Tina’s Three Summers blog is a delight for the eye and so very helpful. A big thank you to both of you!

  7. Wonderful writing as always, Christine. This post has absolutely driven home Keats’ eternal line:

    “Beauty is truth, truth beauty”

  8. Amanda,
    I now wonder about the Season, Kibbe, and Type of every person I see. Problem I learned from facebook is how incredibly misleading photos can be, then you finally meet the person and they were nothing like you expected. For Kibbe, I start with what I don’t see, so G, D, SD, R. I could imagine TR though she seems too broad and not curvy enough in the bones structure. She appears to be equally Yin/Yang or tipping more to Yin. I find her features sharp for N. Could be SN. To decide between N and C, I think about whether they’d look constrained or comfortable in a suit, and she seems the former, too stiff. So, I’m at SN, which is often how she dresses and I think she looks lovely. Then I have doubts because SN seems to be where I put 70% of women. Carol, now – N to FN? Sometimes I wonder is she’s N but wearing a lot of FN, but IDK, she does balance what she wears.

    Virginia,
    I think I saw her as Soft Summer at one point. If you know one great photo of her, post the link and we can look. Like Katie Holmes, when she wears her hair dark, it’s too dark for her.

    Nirmala,
    The store does go with the 4 True Seasons and that’s a limiting problem for many women to wholly accept the system – which is why I wish I could be their buyer, we could have the store women pray for :) On the other hand, I see no conflict between any Season and any Type (or Kibbe). The next post is about this. What Carol is describing how movement becomes energy and how that is interpreted in our visual perception. So, a piston, a windmill, a sun panel, and a waterwheel all turn motion and shape into energy and feeling but we’d interpret them differently in any language – abstract art, music, clothes, whatever. Sci\ART Season is the most accurate measuring tool in existence for harmonic colouring, so a different form of energy and how that might be interpreted visually. You take your S Su palette and choose items with Type 1 motion patterns – not automatic in the stores, I agree, but not impossible. Takes practice.

    Tina,
    Anyone who saves me the hours that Polyvores take deserves lots of thinking. I get much more learning examples out of your ideas than mine, and at the end of the day, so do you. (So, Nirmala, have a go at a S Su Type 1 Polyvore and send me the link. I’ll post it next to my Type 1 DW and we can do a collaborative article about it.)

    And, Emma, same, do some T Sp and T Sp compared to T A. This is a different comparison altogether than Su vs W. I’m happy to write it.

    Cathy,
    From Tina and I, thank you! I love that what Tina has shown us, in her Polys and in formulating questions, has real life practical value. We begin with perfect colours but then we have to take them into stores.

  9. Christine–

    Thank you so much for this post– I loved it!

    I have to admit, though, I must COMPLETELY disagree that Anne of DYT dresses as a true summer, or that the store for type two as a whole, or even as a majority of the type 2 section, reflects true summer.

    Please understand my story: After absolutely falling in love with DYT, and a year of frustration trying to make the system work (from questioning my type ad nauseum to trying what was “supposed” to work as a Type 2 and it utterly failing), I found your Web site and was ultimately professionally draped in the 12 seasons system as a true summer.

    My impression is that Anne dresses very much like a SOFT summer, and that DYT will generally NOT work well for a true summer (the board has, it seems, been “filled” (ok, it’s a relatively small board) with true summers who are ultimately not satisfied with their type and can’t figure out what is wrong), but may well work beautifully for either a soft or even a light summer. The card that comes with the system is quite grey and is far more muted than it is cool. Frankly, the clothes I came up with using the system made me look like death, while these very same items would make Anne look regal and magestic. I could not for the life of me figure out why “brighter” colors looked best on me, while I was definitely NOT a Type 1 (I can have fun, but as a whole I am far too serious) or a Type 4 (completely overpowered by the colors) and far too soft to be a Type 3 (not active enough, far too sensitive). It’s that colors that lead with COOLNESS look best, THEN muted.

    Also, all the details that are recommended for a T2 are way, way, far too much for me and overpowering. I prefer small “bursts” of detail, and otherwise clean lines with little muss or fuss. Also, circles are recommended for a different energy type, but i feel the most at ease in them of all the shapes recommended for all of the types. I was relieved when I found you recommended circles for true summer in your book, and have been taking full advantage of the recommendation :)

    Some of the jewelery DYT offers is very nice for a true summer, but most of the items I have ordered are extremely grey and drab if they have color. Again, elegant and beautiful on a soft summer, but make me look a little, well, sick.

    In truth, I wish I were a soft summer, so I could take my DYT card into the store and walk out looking like a million bucks. I SO love the system for its potential, and the whole idea of it all, and have been inspired by it beyond measure. Though I realize it may come across differently, I do not want to devalue the system. But I can’t use it effectively by itself and look good. I think that true summer, in particular, is far too sensitive with color selection and, well, things in general, to fit into this system well and use it effectively by itself.

    This is where the 12 distinct groups comes in. I wish it were not so; dealing with four is so much easier, and if you look at the T2s that the DYT system DOES work for (using the DYT system only without supplementing any other systems), the results are nothing short of mesmerizing (you can see some of them if you buy the program and peruse the message boards).

    Anyway, this has been on my mind since I read your post. I do not mean to put down the DYT system; I truly respect it and it sparked my color analysis journey. It is just that I have spent a lot of time, energy, and effort trying to find my way using DYT, the 12 blueprints, and Taylore Synclaire’s work. What your friend says is true– you do need to find your own way, regardless of what any system says. It has been my experience, though, that a true summer may need to work just a bit harder than other seasons to find their way because there is truly a highly refined sensitivity and an awareness of what does not “feel right,” as well as a sense of if we’re going to work so hard for it, it needs to be “just so.”

    Anyway, thank you for the post and all of the work you do. I am so glad that you stumbled on DYT and Taylore, also; I always wondered what you would think of them. I find your reflections particularly interesting, as I stumbled on them in the opposite way that you did– Ie, I found the energy profiling first, and Sci Art 12 seasons and other color analysis methods second.

  10. P.S. As a continuation to the post above, I forgot also to mention that in the Kibbe system, I am a soft classic.

  11. Christine,

    Your posts are so beautifully written and contain such valuable information, it is a great pleasure to read this blog.

    Thanks to Tina for the Polyvore sets and to you for sharing your knowledge with us. I could not stop smiling after I read this: I am a true summer and my name is Grace!

  12. Christine, your straightforward common sense always amazes me. I think we are coming around to a very similar point of view about these things. After looking at all the dissimilarities and overlap between the systems, I’m really keen on going back to a straight 12-tone approach. It’s the most idiot-proof system I know of out there.

    It may well be that we all have this “Type” energy, but how often have you tried to assess yourself and your own mood skewed the scoring? If we don’t know our own outsides, I sometimes think we know our own insides even less. Not that we don’t know our preferences and opinions in a general way, but to gather them all together and make a category of them is another thing.

    I’m with your friend on keeping it simple and then learning to “see” yourself over time. I’d guess that John Kitchener may have the most fool proof individualized system out there, but even his clients fall into primarily one seasonal type. The main difference from the 12-tone is that he saves his clients the trouble of sorting the parameters of their own colors by finding the lightest, darkest, subtlest, and most saturated versions that they can wear. (Of course, this sometimes spills over into other seasons–but not always.)

    You know that if you understand this, you can tell for yourself when holding a color up to yourself enhances something and when it makes your skin tone start to pull away. You can even tell when it does both at the same time with a bit of practice. 12-tones is a great starting point and it offers a very understandable nomenclature for comparison.

  13. Oh my goodness Christine!!! How beautiful your words spoke to me in this post. I especially loved this part:

    “Colour doesn’t judge bold or indecisive. It just is. Clouds are not less beautiful than sunsets. They’re just clouds and sunsets and that’s how we appreciate them. We don’t walk in a forest saying “This tree is more beautiful than that tree. We don’t say “A tree in summer is more beautiful because the swaying of the leaves look so inviting compared to the simple shape of the wintertime tree.” They’re all special for the way they grew, the way they are, just because they’re there. People too. Colours too.”

    As well as this:

    “Parrot feathers on a dove does not look good. It’s not ugly. There is no ugly. What it looks like is forever separate. They can’t mesh. By putting them together, both the dove and the feathers are reduced. They can’t penetrate each other and become one and the same, that sensation women experience so deeply when they see themselves in their most beautiful colours, as if releasing the drape at that moment would lose contact with some long-lost part of themselves they’ve only just found.

    By adding to yourself more of what you already are, it’s like using you to support you even more. That’s where real strength comes from, right? It is not out there somewhere. Only you elevate and strengthen the very uniqueness and specialness of you.”

    You have NO idea how much strength these phrases give me. I feel like they are pieces to my own self discovery puzzle. Cheesy, I suppose, but oh so freeing!

    I love what your friend said and Kathyrn’s comments. The idea of using all of these wonderful systems as a jumping off point to guide you in the discovery of finding yourself, is just such a beautiful thing. I am so grateful to you for all of your hard work and sharing your learning with the rest of us. You are a wonderful teacher!

  14. Oh, btw, I wasn’t meaning what you said what cheesy, but that my idea of finding the missing puzzle pieces for myself and putting them together is a bit cheesy. That’s okay though, I love cheese! ;o)

  15. Anonymous,

    I think you’re exactly right. And a True Summer would have the sensitivity to see that she needs her right colours, where many Autumns or Winters might just make do or revert to black. Anne certainly doesn’t dress Light Summer, though at times I wonder if she is one (perky nose, giggly at times, lighter base hair colour). For sure, she is sometimes too dark and too muted, but she stays in Summer’s realm. Her style strikes me as Summer, she is true to that energy fairly consistently.
    The DYT store is quite funny. There are some great things, great prices. I ordered a bunch of Type 4 things. I like a lot of, but it’s about 4 times the size I expected. There is one necklace there I think would be superb on T Su. It’s in the Type 4 store, a long, smooth, blue, clear glass teardrop type stone on a silver chain with a couple of small pieces hanging with the stone. For a T or L Su, it’s lovely. I think they put it with Type 4 because it’s ‘reflective’ and it could work. I doubt I’ll be keeping it.
    I received the colour palette – kind of generic Winter, not bad, but certainly not my colours, let alone a Type 4 Light Spring, good heavens. But between 12 Season and DYT, a person could do well. I think Kibbe is still the last word on line, at least for me.

    Kathryn,
    The gift JK has is being able to tell quickly what is true of a person. We know how hard that is. I still can’t hold up earrings in a store and know. From photos, I seem able to do much better. Everyone has to find their way, as Darren said.

    Melinda,

    I’ve realized that the reason the Universe has sent me more T Su and S Su than any other is because there is something in those people that I need to learn and be balanced by. I’m just reliving the same experience over and over till I learn its lesson. What could be better than the ability to change the world with love and not aggression. One husband told me of his S Su wife that he now emulates her when he deals with situations where he feels tension and his Winter ways sneaking in. And, surprise, the outcome is smoother, happier, and more effective for everyone including him!

  16. Thank you for this beautiful outpouring Christine. I am especially grateful for your discussion of DYT – a nice surprise. Your words and that of others here have helped me to FINALLY put it in perspective and find some point of cohesion between that system and what I already knew to be true about my colors from Sci/art.

    I had spent many frustrating months trying to figure out how I could be a Type 1/2 but at the same time be a soft autumn. I could never NEVER see myself in the colors and styles that her Type 1s wear, so This led to a whole ‘was I being true to myself?’ angst and the obvious questions – were my colors all wrong? Had I been hiding my true self all my life? I tried dressing in Type 3 clothing and felt like Zena the warrior princess gone wrong. I tried dressing in Type 1 clothing and felt like a teenager who didn’t know her own body yet – horizontal lines and star earrings anyone?

    But everything that Carol said about PERSONALITY of the types rang true. If only IF ONLY it wasn’t married and chained to a set of colors. I think if she took away the color sets perhaps more women would be able to accurately discern their ‘type’ more quickly.

    Please keep these discussions coming Christine!

  17. Before Sci/Art, everyone was confused [about human type classification]! The main flaw with all those other type classifications is that they are based on very subjective perceptions of what group a person fits into. I would even go so far as to say it’s slightly judgmental. The beauty of Sci/Art on the other hand is that the “truth” is revealed to a person in a simple, lovely, and obvious way. As the drapes are placed upon ones shoulders, there is a clearing of the mind as well as a clearing of the skin. Assumptions, questions, judgments, all melt away. The truth is clear, real, and totally perceivable, by both the subject and the practitioner. The palette that reveals itself to us is like a sunbeam lighting the way down the correct path, through the confusing jungle of what could, or should, be “me”. Why would we want to then obscure our vision with other truths, when this one is so clear, and refreshing? I think that one should start with Sci/Art, and really delve deep into ones palette, because to me, that is one way where I can discover my OWN TRUTH. Once I have had all my fun exploring my own path, then perhaps I’ll consider taking on board other concepts, but in the meantime, I am happy with Sci/Art, and that’s what I’ll stick with. Christine has such a beautiful, meaningful and utterly valid (and validating!) way with words, that it’s all I need to inspire me colour journer. I’m afraid, after much deliberation (and boy have a given it a chance, believe me!) that DYT (and all the others) is a huge PASS for me.

  18. Wow! I leave for a while and return to find these incredibly insightful posts! I’ve had a thought since last posting that some of these systems are just so many ways of dividing up the same pie (especially when you throw in Chinese astrology and feng shui). And mostly, too, between face reading and energy profiling, the systems seem based in inductive reasoning, i.e., examples of data without a demonstrated and proven connection.

    That doesn’t mean there isn’t *something* to these methods, but I think there is enough amiss with them that we can say the foundations for them are wispy. Yes, there probably are people who fit perfectly into these systems. And they may even work for 80% of the populace to more or less degree–who knows? But that’s not reliable and we also don’t know how much is subjectively believed by analyst and client that isn’t true.

    For myself, I am pretty well done with energy profiling, feng shui, and all the “iffy” stuff that can’t be measured. 12-tonalities is measurable. Kibbe archetypes are familiar to us, but their interpretation is still too broad and subjective. I prefer 20 Types of Beauty to Kibbe, if you have the time and patience, because it’s “Just the facts, ma’am.”

    The best overall image book I’ve yet read is The Triumph of Individual Style because it allows for the kind of creativity that a woman can “feel” her way into. Some women may still feel a bit lost with this if they aren’t so in touch with themselves AND they may need another objective eye to make sense of it.

    Think of yourself as a melody that no one can sing but yourself. Measurable color ranges and geometrical knowledge of the body are the starting point for your style just like chords are to musician mastery. When you master the “givens,” then you can begin to play with feeling.

  19. I am going to wade into this discussion on DYT, Sci/Art and Kibbe. I agree with Kathryn that Sci/Art is exacting and straightforward. What Christine has done is to use her analytical skills as a medical professional to assess a person’s season objectively, but then translate her findings into lyrical, evocative, almost poetic descriptions that resonate with the subjective side of people. This is a gift that many scientific and academic people do not have (disclosure: I’m in the academic community). Margaret Mead comes to mind as someone who could translate scientific findings into language that the general public could understand. She made social science accessible to the general public because of this gift.
    From what I have read of Kibbe (only on-line, I don’t have his book), he analyzes body proportions and structures, then recommends styles to best enhance what we have. This is reminiscent of Doris Pooser whose book was published some time ago; she analyzed body shapes and proportions and then recommended styles that were most appropriate, much like Kibbe seems to do but not to such an extent.
    Now to DYT: I have only read some of Carol’s work, but it seems too loose and almost impulsive to me. In particular, I take exception of her psychological descriptions of the four types. How many of us may be described differently by our parents, our children, our students, employees, supervisors, and partners? Carol’s use of her family members as examples of different types is not appropriate; how do we know that she is accurate from one or two examples of each? As Kathryn indicates, our moods on a given day or the social setting in which we may find ourselves can influence our type. Carol also states on one of her initial internet postings that she can determine someone’s type from a photograph; how can this possibly compare with the two hours that Christine takes to do a Sci/Art analysis? The Myers-Briggs Type Indicator (MBTI) is a must better instrument for assessing personal styles and has been verified numerous times in rigorous studies (another disclosure: I am a former clinical social worker and have used the MBTI). As Kathryn indicates, there may be something intuitive occurring with DYT, but it needs more rigorous evaluation before I am willing to accept it. In particular, I cannot accept her melding of personal features with personality; there is no scientific evidence for this. So at this point in time it’s Sci/Art and Kibbe for me.

  20. Hi Christine,

    This is completely off topic, but I was wondering if you had ever thought about doing a photo analysis of Queen Elizabeth II? She always wears such vibrant colours and all the huzzah about her Diamond anniversary this weekend has got me wondering what you think her palette might be…

    Cheers,
    SD

  21. CGH – I know what Carol would say already – that you are a 4! :) They are the ones most likely to question and disregard her system or any system that claims to tell you about yourself. I certainly don’t agree with a lot of Carol’s work, but I find her personality descriptions to be quite telling and accurate. Yes, I agree that many times she over-generalizes based on her experience involving a certain family member’s coloring or personality, but regarding what she has written about the 4 types, and the blending of types, (according to Carol, each person has not only a dominant type, but a secondary type which interplays to a more or lesser degree with the dominant type) then what you have is something close to the 16 types that Myer’s Briggs utilizes.

    Not sure about the facial stuff either, but she does claim that within mintues of meeting a person she can ‘type’ them depending on how they walked into the room, how often they laugh or don’t laugh, the language or wording that they use, their facial expressions or lack of, their gesturing or lack of, how they sit, how they stand. For most of us, these type of things are so hard wired into us that we don’t even realize what we are doing or how we are doing it until someone points it out to us.

  22. CGH – As a PS to my comment above – I had to chuckle to myself when I thought about trying to ‘type’ someone by getting to look inside their fridge, see how their kitchen is organized, look at their purse, even what kind of keychain they carry for that matter.

    it could be a tv show…. ‘see the keychain, know the woman’ – up pops into the screen a keychain full of kitsch – dangly and sparkly mementos – that ain’t no type 4 carrying that around!!! :)

  23. Hello, Christine. thank you very much for this post. it is illustrative and very close to life. Especially that fact that some people don’t like their colors and have some ideas about color palettes, that are not always right, because every person, I think , can get all the best from his or her seasonal palette. I had a friend of mine who is a light summer and she used to think that light summer look is somewhat like a “barby-look” with pale rose and light blue and she hated this, but then she understood that there is a variety of color in LSu palette and now she managed to combine her style and her colors.
    But as for me, I really appreciated in your post the topic of comparing the two seasons. I will be very happy if someday I will see something about comparing Soft autumn and Deep autumn, because I am completely lost with these two – I can’t take my color analysis because I live neither in America, nor in Europe. I am definitely an autumn, but not warm. I tried million ways of finding whether I am soft or deep, but things become even more complicated. And I don’t find if anybody ever compared this two seasons. Many people think that SA is rather light, but I suppose not always.

  24. You’re right, Sabira, SA and DA can be hard to tell apart unless you are draped. Some SA people can appear surprisingly dark till you try to put too-dark colours near their face. I will try to compare the 2 in an article, but there’s already a fair bit in the database about these Seasons. I don’t know how to structure another article that would help you tell the difference on yourself. I can show Polyvores, but I’ve done that. There are comparison palettes in my book. I’m not sure what you can do from your distance. Makeup is unlikely to work. Can you think of specific questions? It takes me much longer to write an article if I don’t have a place to focus.

  25. CGH – I think Carol can choose a Type within minutes because they are so broad and mutually exclusive of each other. If she had 15 categories, it would be harder to pick one but likely closer to the true subtleties of the person. I have been so impressed with the thoughtful intelligence in comments like yours, and those for the next article on 4 Types and Seasons. Clearly, women are applying their clever and critical brains to decide what of all this to absorb and what to leave. And it will differ for each of us, and that’s a good thing.

    SD – I think QE II is a True Summer. Maybe Type 2? Classic (though she looks SC now)?

  26. Thank you for your reply, Christine. I’ve read your article”the most important thing about your season” and also a plenty of other articles. I revized them one more time.
    If to ask a question I would ask what I should rely more when finding my coloring.For example my eyes are rather muted, I would say dark teal green or pine, but my skin is not so greyed,so some of the most greyed colors of a SA palette work with my eyes, but don’t work with my skin giving it unhelthy glow. DA palette works better with my skin. Does that mean that I should rely more on my skin tone, than on other factors.

    If I were to ask general questions I would ask if there exist some colors that can help distinguish between the two seasons. I mean if there are colors of the SA palette that a DA can’t tolerate and vice versa. And I am not also sure, whether black is a part of a DA palette or no. because as for me, I can wear black, but it is not my best choise, I need to wear something golden or beige with it to make it work. when I wear black only I can’t look my best.
    I have also a question about contrast – if a soft season can have medium-high contrast between skin,eyes ans hair. or it doesn’t matter.
    And what do you think about the concept of flowing seasons – can it be so that a person can take some colors from the neighbour palette. and can it be so, that a Soft Autumn can bу closer to the DA than a SSu.

    If speaking about palettes – I’ve always thought that I am SA flowing to Ssu, but when I saw these – http://pinterest.com/eleablake. I realized that those colors I thought to be a Ssu blue-greens are really DW blue greens and some of the colors I thought to be of a Soft Autumn are more of the DA palette. I know that it depends on the monitor, but I have never thought that the soft seasons are SO greyed. I think I had the wrong concept of what is relly “soft”. Is it so?

    And I wanted to thank you for some of your posts that help me to make my steps in my self-analysis.
    One was about the most important thing about the season – then I thought I am soft. Because I am not bright=) But now I can’t say that I am too soft to wear some of the softest colors. By the way, I am still confused with the terms “soft” and “muted” – what is the difference. I think I would describe my coloring more muted that soft, but I am not sure, because I am not a native speaker of English.

    that post http://12blueprints.com/valeria-is-a-dark-autumn/ was also very helpful, but I started to think whether I can be a DA, because my worst colors are pure white and summer light pastels. light pastels give me either yellow or grey unhealthy glow for my skin.

    I also appreciate this post very much
    http://12blueprints.com/3-great-colours-on-the-12-seasons/
    But it make the things for me much more complicated :
    as for a DA the 2nd and the 3rd are my best colors indeed, but I am not sure about the fist blue-purple. as for a Soft Autumn – I look good n brown and soft warm yellow, but the medium green is not my best choice – it is too light and too grey. As for neighbour seasons – I can wear Dark winter grey and maybe red, but I am not so happy with red – my better red is definitely warmer. yet it is an “ok color”. I can wear Ssu pine green – it works with my eyecolor, and so does TA teal. but other shades of a Soft Summer are not my best choice usually, and True autumn is too warm for me.
    I also tried to compare how different greens intensify my eyecolor – there was no clue also, my eyes are not so dark (but I am not quite sure how dark can be blue-green eyes, I would describe my eyecolor as pine green in general) and change color that is why I can’t wave goodbuy to soft seasons. I tried blue green and olive – but they works both I think, because my eyes have blue green background with an olive sun around the pupil, so when I wear olive they are warm green, when I wear pine they are pine green, when I wear teal they are teal green. I know that every season can have every eyecolor, but with different shades. So I have a question can that be that a DA can have pine green eyes or pine is more a soft color?

    I am very sorry for asking so much questions, but I really appreciate your opinion.

  27. I have a question about Soft Summer makeup..

    I am for sure a soft summer. But the problem is, I hate the soft summer colors. They do just look dull to me. Good on me, but I just hate the colors. I’m one of those girls crazy about super-saturated, black cat-eyeliner makeup.

    My question is, is there any way to make saturated colors look good on a mousy ol’ soft summer person? Like, if I were to dye my hair a certain tone or wear sister-season colors, maybe use foundation to change my skin tone a bit,
    is there any hope of wearing lime greens and electrics without… it turning out more like a muddy merry-go-round?
    If so, what kind of colors/hues would be good to put in my hair or wardrobe?

  28. When I ask myself this type of Q, Gen., I consider the answers on someone who looks like me or has my colouring, or just someone close. Objectivity about yourself is near impossible. So pick a Soft Summer celebrity, there are hundreds, and picture her walking into a room wearing the makeup choices you’re thinking about. If you could think of a version of limes and electrics for say, JenAniston, then it’s a matter of taste, really. I don’t know where to begin with colours like that on any Season so I’m not a good person to help you, though I wish I could. Maybe women love those colours in makeup and would like to know how to adapt them to their own colouring. Changing your hair, foundation, neighbour Season…you can if you don’t mind people seeing it. I wonder if a makeup artist, like at NARS or MUFE, could help?

  29. ” I don’t know where to begin with colours like that on any Season so I’m not a good person to help you, though I wish I could.”
    All the winters I see look sooo awesome in bright colors. I’m so jealous of winters.

    Yeah, I guess I will ask around the gurus. Thanks for the input!

  30. REALLY ENJOYED THIS POST!!!!!! I watched a lot of videos. However, I am a true summer and the winter clothing was too harsh on me. I needed that medium stauration. I unlearned everything I ever thought to be true about myself and realized that I am who I am regardless. Now, I have a question for you. What happens when one’s hair goes gray? I am a true summer, but as my hair around my face grays more and more each day, do I need more color saturation? What to do…:)

  31. Few people gray as easily and naturally as T Su and TW, Jennifer. I don’t think you need to do anything. I doubt you changed Season at all. You may appear to have less contrast as your hair and skin colour are now closer, but I still find that you would stick to the original contrast level that always worked for you. Our colouring all shifts together, I think. Your skin may shift a little as your hair is doing so, but not enough to fully change Seasons. You might use your palette differently, wearing more greys in clothing and eyemakeup. It always looks good to repeat the hair colour.

  32. Thanks Christine, for your response. I am finding that grays and silvers really make me ‘pop’ now. Saw a woman at the grocery store a few weeks ago dressing her season. She was completely gray; ohhh what a beauty to behold. I literally stopped and watched her walk by. Her colors were THAT beautiful on her and SHE wore them with confidence, not the other way around. Keep up the good work, Christine. You are diving deeper than a lot of people have in reference to what you do and you are changing how people view themselves…for the better!

  33. I had surgery for an underbite when I was younger and it changed my face(chin less projecting and cartoon crescent moon-like, just an overall softer look.) Also I wonder if weight changes anything.

    I love 12 Blueprints and Sci/Art because I know (even since my Color Me Beautiful book days in high school) that the warm-to-neutral deep colors are my best.

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