True Spring in 13 Kibbes

David Kibbe’s book that amazes me more, the more I try to learn it, contains 13 Image Identities based on the shapes of your body and face.

Like colour, you can subdivide the groups to refine every individual individually if you want to, but even if you get your general category right, you are looking so much more like your real self. I’m amazed at his eye for what works on a body shape and how correct he was. Even about the smaller details, to get the most from this book requires hanging on his every word. Perhaps that’s why the artist stays hidden.

Disclaimer: The images below are probably 50% incorrect.

I can only hold four words in my head at a time and I repeat them over and over, the Shopping Mantras (SM). The details about shoulders and so on come later with the fine tuning. I still make mistakes like I did with colours, but it’s happening less, fast.

The Theatrical Romantic and Romantic

TR SM: intricate, delicate, sharp edges, tapered.

R SM: lush, flowing, circular, ornate.

The singer Adele is probably a Summer R, but I had the perfect True Spring Romantic model in Marilyn Monroe. Problem is, I don’t see the clothes on her very well. Not sure where I went wrong, maybe it’s all too Natural. Or maybe it’s fine for the real Marilyn that her family knew.

Important Note: About the Poly below, Deana brings up such a great point in the Comments below that I want to be sure everyone sees it. She noticed that the pink of the R dress on the right isn’t in her fan. She is right and her 12 Tone fan is right. The pink of the dress is not warm enough for True Spring. Even the blazer for TR with the green pants is just borderline warm enough, perhaps more of a Light Spring colour. True Spring is too yellow, causing their pinks to move into coral and nectarine. I can’t always find the item, the cut, the colour, kind of like a day at the mall, so I compromise and agree that a True Spring could do better.

 

True Spring TR and R

 

Dramatic and Soft Dramatic

D SM : crisp, angular, tailored, long.

SD SM: bold, ornate, lavish, draped. Puts Jessica Rabbit in my head.

 

True Spring Dramatic and Soft Dramatic

 

The D blue dress- it’s too fussy? I couldn’t find the column I wanted. This one seems long, lean, spare of colour and design. Could its length outweigh its delicacy and tip it further towards ultimate Yang, as happens in the proportions of SD bodies?

No, I get it now. The problem lies not in the degree of fuss but in the fabric: it’s not crisp enough so the angles that the folds generate are not sharp. On a D face and body that is all sharp angles, these round, flowing folds don’t match. Not just that, there are so many of them that the inequality gets even more emphasis. The halter style is better.

Who is that blue dress right for then? A FN would be my second guess. It fits the geometric, asymmetric, rounded edges, rectangle, suggested for FN, and of the narrow and slinky dress description. It’s still string bean and banana shaped, though I can certainly see it on Princess Di. Or is the dress right for no body?

 

The Dramatic Classic, Classic, and Soft Classic

DC SM: sleek, angular, geometric, straight. Bends are tight, but not necessarily acute angles. Not a circle and not a lightning bolt. I wonder if the yellow dress is too asymmetric but I’d wear it. Trimness is important, the teal shirt would have the side seams taken in so the width at the hem is less than across the shoulders.

C SM: smooth, slim, symmetric, moderate. I had to put in that purple trench to add interest to all the controlled and moderate. The woman who was my inspiration for many of the Allow Yourself To Be True Summer -themed articles is also a Classic. She longs to break out, tries shiny trenches and patchwork jackets. It’s good to know how to break your own rules harmlessly. There will be those days.

SC SM: unbroken, curved, symmetric, softened. Unbroken means smoothness both in lines and textures. Soft = supple, smooth, flat, silky, downy, round, decorative, whispered, gentle, sensitive, sentimental, sweet.

 

True Spring DC, C, and SC

 

Lately, I really like shiny, pinky copper on True Spring (4th strip, first and second dots if you have a Sci\ART Book), like metallic apricot (as opposed to SA’s sueded apricot).

The DC ring is curvy but I’d wear it for the head of the Cobra shape that imparts the sharp leitmotif of the group. I was also trying to repeat similar shapes for all the C’s to keep the head to toe continuity Kibbe recommends. For C, I paid more attention to symmetry than colour continuity. For SC, I added more romance as softer lines. For DC, I used more colour repeats. Continuous smoothness of texture also supports the appearance of an unbroken line.

DC has a bigger hand, mine is quite square, and seems to need a menswear or bigger watch. SC is the dish soap commercial hand, the cheese sauce for the broccoli Velveeta hand, perfectly symmetric in length and width, rather than the small-and-wide of SC as roundness arrives.

The Naturals

N SM: slim, straight, eased, simple.

FN SM: vertical, horizontal, bold, blunted. Remove belt from colourful green dress and wear cool white belt low slung for the desired dropped waist.

SN SM: rounded, relaxed, shaped, creative.

The use of texture and separates seems a big difference between N and C, to bring the asymmetry of a more natural, less controlled world to the Ns.

The FN dress – too floaty? It does fit with Free Spirit Chic of FN. There are so many similarities in the ergonomics of the Sci\ART colour analysis and Kibbe body geometry systems. If you avoid what you shouldn’t wear, that’s you 90% better. As long as you pay attention to the Avoid: section, whatever’s left is probably quite decent. Since it’s not ornate, fussy, crisp, severe, or fitted, I figure it would be OK on Jessica Simpson.

 

True Spring FN, N, and SN

 

Green cardi on N worn open neck with those nice beads that my eyes would get glued to.

Between SN and SC, the line is tricky for me. Both are the most fluid and smooth of their group. Poly 3B below shows my attempt to compare the 3 Classics and 3 Naturals.

For FN, I tried to go with strong horizontals and verticals with fancy stuff kept low on the body. Between C and SC, and N and SN is a transitional style that seems either could wear. Yes, the SN dress is a Soft Autumn colour, we can just pretend it’s juicy instead of earthy.

 

True Spring 3C and 3N dresses

 

 

The Gamines

These are the clothes you lift off the rack and think they were misplaced from the kids’ section. They’re hip and clever, have lots of personality, are very chic in a small way, and you wish they made them for bigger bodies. You try them on just in case they look as snazzy as on the hanger, and in the dressing room, say to self in mirror, You are no Paul McCartney. Must remove these in case there are cameras in here.

This woman could wear red Capris to the office and look great. She’s the only one who can wear tight ankle length pants with a bold plaid print and just look better, while everyone else just looks funny-peculiar. Her Dark Autum rendition is among my dearest friends. I read the book. Now, can I dress her with vague images of go-go dresses, Carnaby Street, Parisian waiters, sailor outfits, and Madeline’s school uniform floating in my head?

Those are images are off though. This is small in size to give the sense of quick and clever, like squirrels, but not childish at all in design, not Peter Pan, Alice, or jelly beads. I’m feeling that it will take a miracle on the order of the loaves and fishes to figure this out, as if being told to find something without being told what it is.

G SM: small, crisp, skinny, outlined.

FN SM: short, sharp, fitted, extreme.

SG SM: detailed, crisp, rounded, fitted.

 

True Spring Flamboyant Gamine

 

The pictures of the Asian women in FG and SG make a good contrast. The cream blouse on the SG is too floppy, I think. In fact, it’s probably the blouse on the model in the right that would be right, but I found none. The Gamines really need a seamstress.

A G could actually bring in some black (might have to to buy anything). Black evokes a rule-breaking approach to life that seems almost necessary.

Those FN shoes, you must admit they’re irregular and chunky.

Kathryn suggested FG as lines contradicting and intersecting in opposing directions. I thought that very clever and held on to it as I made choices.

All the detail would have to be added with accessories, because contrast and piping don’t appear in today’s mass-produced garments. Accessories would add asymmetry and sharpness. Unmatched was a buzzword I used when scanning so that every piece drew attention and didn’t blend overly well. I sensed a personal “you either love it or you hate it” polarity towards these items and outfits, perhaps the extreme Yang and Yin of the Gamines. If jewelry was staccato, it had to be almost obnoxiously so. By the time the outfit was pulled together from the items that matched the guidelines, I got the “OK , I get it already” reaction that I’m learning to expect from Kibbe. Really, I love this man’s vision.

 

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41 thoughts on “True Spring in 13 Kibbes”

  1. What an imaginative attempt at putting together Kibbes! Now that I’ve re-self-diagnosed as FG instead of N, I definitely feel like I can finally get on with things better and have all sorts of sewing plans now. I’m pretty well convinced now that FG is G with both D and N added. Kibbe gave the distinction to D, whereas 20typesofbeauty.com recognizes a definite N distinction in FG. However, he gave it the name “Flamboyant” rather than “Dramatic,” which nomenclature comes closer to FN rather than any D subcategory. After lots of brain-breaking exercise, I think that FGs can have either N or D as the secondary, but each also has either N or D as tertiary.

    The other interesting thing is that, having decided I am really Soft Summer, my Kibbe-gory is high contrast, not low contrast as SS. This explains why I could never understand why I seemed to need “more” of something. John Kitchener has several categories of color harmonies and I realized today that these have less to do with seasonal colors than the effects you get with certain kinds of colors. You can be a SS, for instance, and not be subtle-blended. He places Jennifer Aniston, for example, in his Earthy, Rich category, which is normally associated with Autumn.

    What I’m seeing is that line and color do have effects on each other. If one is sharp, one is more likely to need the color combinations within their palette that produce sharper effects than their color sisters require.

  2. I like all things you pulled together for Soft Gamine, Cristine. I tried online test and came up as SG, but skinny isnt probably the best solution for everyone. I do have saddlebags, which keeps me off any skinny pants attempt. Do you know what else to wear, please?

  3. Hello!

    Thank you for your work!

    I think I’m a flamboyant gamine… I have a pink dress that looks very close to the blue one for the SG (except with spaghetti stripes) and it looks great on me… I think the ruffles are enough “sharp” in some way… don’t you?

    Or am I misunderstood and all the clothes are for FG in this picture?

  4. I have wrestled with Gamine, because in reading the book, especially with its dated nature, it’s easy to read G and FG as gaudy, clownish, or childish. (Especially with that awful FG dress picture!)

    But, really, G seems to be almost a cropped Classic with added detail/accessorizing for the added “movement” in an outfit. FG is, at its heart, a small Dramatic. And SG is curvy, but it’s crisp curves rather than flowing curves like a Romantic.

    Now if someone could just offer up some Gamine-like long-hair styles, for those of us who prefer NOT to hack off all of our hair…

  5. Christine, I am so excited your are doing this. I love the Shopping Mantras. I’m currently assessing myself as Dramatic with a strong DC undercurrent. About the picyures above for D. I have certaily worn the halter style before when I was younger. And both of them were long. Because of bone structure cuffs or wide bracelets look weird on me. For watches I tend to wear slender metal bands that look like bracelets. I’m on the look out now for one in satin finish silver like the one above. I love the shirts and long jackets in the DC . I can wear straps around the ankle and have loved that type of shoe all my life. May I mention that older D’s may not be able to handle stilettos. There’s usually more weight associated with D and finely made heels don’t hold up under sustained use. P.S. Extreme heels for the tall make other people quite uncomfortable. But, there’s also no sense trying to dress short (eg. kitten heels) Sleeves have now become more desirable for me. It’s either that or a million arm curls. The D & DC shifts I like the asymetrical patterned design patterns. I see the purse you’ve chosen is definitely D but is impractical for me going about daily life which needs a strap and able to hold quite a bit. Earrings are the right size but need more dimensionality.

    Stream of conciousness and wish I could update this once I know more as well.

  6. Pat – so much good info you’ve written, so obviously right, why didn’t I think of it? The too-skinny heel, the too-high heel, of course!And it’s not just the older woman in stilettos, it’s all of us. I wouldn’t wear them. Why do I put them here? Jeez, it’s pathetic, I guess because I think women expect it and it does look pretty. I should know better. If something has next to zero real-world value, it’s invisible to me.

    Is this the shoe type you mean?

    http://www.naturalizer.ca/Shopping/ProductDetails.aspx?p=EC0114112&pg=7005498

    I really like it but am hesitant because I cannot see it on Jacqui Kennedy, one of my important test models. (I’m DC, not D). But what do you think of the shoe? It looks so practical, and pretty good on the “sleek, angular, geometric” scale.

  7. Right on, Lian! Christine, as always great insight into Kibbe. It does help me a great deal that you translate and give an alternative/complementary language for understanding the different types. You may recall some tidbits of my color and Kibbe journey, getting to BSp, and getting to Classic, despite clearly Yang facial features, both D and N. Recently, I had another go at Shigenobu Kobayashi’s Color, Image, Scale, and to my great surprise, though it should have been no surprise since the indicative colors and prints were sitting in my drawers, I fall in the Dynamic and Causal categories, more specifically Lively, Showy, Tropical and Vivid (in addition to Strong & Robust, which is Classic & Dandy, for my neutral/cool darker colors), ie, full on vivid color. Well, suddenly it all made sense, because though I cannot seem to move away from Classic, I have struggled to understand how it ties in with the way I do color and makeup — and discovered I do it precisely the FN way, which ties in with my Kobayashi’s categories, which ties in with my facial features — both D and N, ie, FN! However, this is the only FN aspect I can do, shapes and lines need to be Classic, jewlery needs to be small scale, etc., etc. I am quite taken by this, I suspect it is not unusual when face and body seem to be in different Kibbe categories.

  8. Love it, as usual, thanks Christine. I was thinking about Gamines, spring and black.. Could it work because of the combination of opposites and contrast are good on Gamines? I am finding it challenging sticking strictly to my light spring colours and intergrating gamine/flamboyant gamine styles. I wonder if there has to be a bit of give in both colour and style to get a pretty good overall effect…certainly with time and money constraints anyhow. Again love this article, being able to compare all the styles is extremely helpful to me, thank you :)

  9. Christine, thank you for taking the time to put together outfits for each style type. I tend to approach determining each style type intuitively (what is my first gut feeling) as sometimes it takes a while to determine what elements are off. It is sometimes hard to envision ourselves in the Kibbe outfits as some of the styles don’t translate well to today’s fashion sense. I would recommend that anyone who is having trouble relating to the styles in the book (especially the dramatics, romantics and gamines) find a copy of the Lucky Guide to Mastering Any Style. Christine I would also suggest considering Dita Von Teese as an example of a Theatrical Romantic, the Olsen Twins as gamines (they have that street urchine vibe) and Kaley Cucco (Penny) from the Big Bang Theory as a Soft Natural as she really reminds me of Goldie Hawn.

    Looking forward to your next post.

  10. Hi, thanks for that, think I am a soft dramatic after reading the Kibbes descriptions online elsewhere – tall hourglass shape (waist at least one dress size smaller than boobs or hips) but fairly heavy, horrible jaw line, which conflicts visually.

    By the way, I am having a sort out and taking stuff to charity shop. Anyone out there in Uk interested in an as new copy of David Zylas Colour your style? I can’t make head or tail of it, don’t seem to fit any group. His Autumns are very warm, not any deep or dark ones I can see as examples. Others with my colouring seem to have become Soft Winters. As I am very close to the border of warm/cool (the warm side slightly, but definately deep) maybe hes right? Would love to see if any other ladies can work out what hes about!! I will send for the cost of the postage – you can do me a paypal invoice if you like, any takers?

  11. Maja, for me, at least, slightly flared loosely fit pants seem to work well, as long they they are not made of anything flowing softly. Crisp is the key word-crisp feeling, cut and fabric.

  12. Interesting stuff, as always!

    I’m halfway through Kibbe and struggling a bit. House of Colour UK typed me as a Romantic Ingenue (ie Ingenue primarily, with Romantic tendencies). In Kibbe’s questionnaire I kept getting Ds and he doesn’t really give D’s a category of their own. I’m not quite lushly feminine enough to be Romantic (5’3″, moderate hourglass, small features, oval face, sharpish nose, long wavy hair) and mentally, I resist girly clothes, frills and fussy details very strongly.

    Definitely Soft Autumn (double-diagnosed! HoC and SciArt) and with the utilitarian mindset you’ve previously attributed to that category.

  13. Oh and I completely agree about the shoes. As you get into middle life you value comfort over style increasingly, the more so if you have back problems as many of us do, or foot problems. Not to mention that how your feet feel affects the expression on your face! “Car to bar” shoes have no place in my life as it is now.

    So it’s always welcome to see shoes that are attractive whilst still permitting normal walking. A happy halfway between the Birkenstock and the stiletto.

  14. The second set of D shoes: Likes: shape of heel but not height (it’s over 3″). I prefer a low vamp or at the other extreme strap around ankle. Dislikes: buckle and patent leather. I would certainly try for a litte bit of gracefulness in a shoe but not always attainable in size 10. Some of my choices are also made to not accent size of feet even though they are in proportion to my body. Example: I would not buy white pumps but I would buy white sandals. I have a few pictures of some shoes and ankles boots I’ll have to send you. The ankle boots are definitely sleek and I love them. Trying to figure out where to post.

  15. Lindsey – it seems to me (from reading the kibbe quiz questions) that the d answers should lead to the ‘missing’ Ingenue category. It’s bizarre that he actually saw that the combination of features/shapes were possible but then didn’t give them a category of their own.

    I’m Hoc diagnosed Natural Ingenue (5’7″, moderate hourglass, muscular, large eyes and mouth, oval face, sharpish nose, long straightish/wavy hair) and like you, my answers don’t lead to a kibbe category. I’m completely comfortable with my style type and no other kibbe type fits me as well as Natural Ingenue does.

    I’ve realised I was in denial for years and actually really love the ruffles, jewellery, vintage looks, youthfulness, and pretty prints of the Ingenue but the Natural part of my diagnosis allows me to de-girlify my look a bit and honours my height and muscular frame.

    I wonder if you should have really been diagnosed as Ingenue plus something else rather than the super-feminine Romantic Ingenue! Maybe Classic Ingenue or Gamine Ingenue? Or do you relate more to the Romantic part of your diagnosis?

  16. Thank you for posting this Christine! I love seeing all of the Kibbe’s side-by-side and in the same season. Since color is the first thing I notice and analyze, a post like this helps me to get past my judgements. I tend to think things like “Oh, that’s definitely not Soft Summer, so I won’t look at that outfit”. This helps me to really see the shapes and nuances of the Kibbe’s. I especially liked how you compared dresses for the 3 classics next to dresses for the 3 Naturals. That really helps me to understand the differences.

  17. The sandal looks very practical and it has a heavy look to it. It would not be my first choice. I’ve got a picture of myself wearing a nude shoe. Does it surprise you that I might want to extend my leg line too?

    For winter boots I choose for warmth so I actually got one with a bit of a platform. Not for fashion but for more padding between myself and the cold, cold ground. It’s another ankle boot with rounded toe. I would have liked it a bit more shaped but that was on offer and it was close. I’m finding it’s not so great for driving as it is harder to feel the pedals thru the boot. Practicality and fashion also a difficult mix. The boot you chose has a chunkier heel than I would like but would be an acceptable compromise.

  18. I LOVE these! I originally thought Kibbe just wasn’t for me when I thought that the best group I fell into was the Soft Classic. Then my sister informed me that my body shape was very similar to Goldie Hawn and that made me realize that I was a Soft Natural. Oh, how that felt so much better when I read that discription! Even the color suggestions totally nailed what seemed to work best on me. It was like opening a doorway to fresh air and happiness. I always felt a little restricted and immovable in the SC, beautiful as it was to me.

    Now my problem is switching my mind set from SC to SN when I am shopping for patterns, accesories, and clothing. This is going to take a lot of work and referencing articles and examples like this. Thank you for the side by sides. These help A LOT!

    Wonderful article Christine. As always, I am learning something new and useful!

  19. Wow! I just won the lottery! All the Kibbe’s in TSp colors! I’m in heaven! This is simply fantastic, Christine.
    I do have a color question — I wasn’t aware that fuchsia & hot pink were TSp colors… thought they only belonged to BSp. True or False? My TAIC TSp fan doesn’t have any pink swatches with that much blue in it. I’ve always loved hot pink and think it looks good on me, although maybe not as good as an equal saturation/brightness level coral.

  20. Arienne, I know there is one point 12 blueprints where Christine suggests Love that Pink lipstick from Revlon for True Springs- that lipstick is one of the brightest pinks I’ve ever seen, and it almost reads cool. (almost- not quite) – I can imagine hot-pink working.

  21. As another TSp, I was also thrilled to see this many outfits in my colors. Jackpot!

    I have some questions though that are similar to some I see above… One of the ways I started considering Spring (after being informally draped as a friend as a Summer in the late 90s and then realizing I was warm and thinking I was an Autumn for a while) was the personality thing. Christine, when you would write about personalities linking to seasons (I remember the streamers versus bricks post) I began to realize that I identified more with Spring as a personality than Autumn and when I tried TSp colors instead of TA colors – wow. Huge, positive difference.

    In the past you’ve written about Spring as fitting well into the “hippie” style, which is something I’m drawn to. Kibbe complicates this. I’m actually another one who scored more Ds than anything else (no Es, a smattering of As and Bs), got frustrated, wavered around in online forums between FG and SN (how on earth does FG work when you’re plus sized?), finally went with SN… But have nothing of that “coming home” feeling of rightness like when I realized I was a Spring.

    I’m curious about whether there would be any connection between the type personalities you’ve studied and the Kibbe types. Are Springs more likely to be natural? The natural clothes above seem more hippie-like than the others. Or more gamine (you put up Tinkerbell as an example of Spring once)? I know the Caygill system seemed to tie personality-colors-body type together and I was fascinated by that. Does Kibbe disconnect these from each other then?

    Thanks for all of these amazing polyvores!

  22. I’ve read through the Kibbe book and 2 points stand out for me: 1.Kibbes book is based on body type personality has nothing to do with how clothing looks on your body. 2.Your body type is not based on weight. So Deana you can be a FG. You may have to modify your clothes to better fit you, but the detail lines and silhouette should match a FG.

    I sew for 2 reasons: fit and expression. I also love to sew. Knowing my personal colors has opened a new way of expressing myself. My own journey in color analysis has taken me from summer to autumn back to true summer. I felt most comfortable in the true summer colors.

  23. Annette, correct me if I’m wrong…

    it seems to me that while his goal wasn’t directly ‘dressing to conceal the imperfections” like a lot of body-type things go, but he is to flatter your body type. It seems a lot of the things that are recommended for my body type also match my kibbe. and most people in my kibbe have very similar body type. Like a romantic would really be an hourglass, a dramatic would always be a little bit of an inverted triangle. Perhaps I don’t totally understand your statement. Doesn’t it have everything to do with how clothing looks on your body?

  24. Fil – Kobayashi earns huge respect from me. I have Colorist and C, I, S, on your recommendation. They are brilliant. A very different perspective on the use and meaning of colour, still very aligned with our interpretations and sensations. Both books amazed me. Interesting how you incorporate the FG. Kibbe, like colour, can help you ignore what really just looks unflattering, still giving each woman a lot of leeway to fine tune her own persona. Taking them very literally can feel, and look, too rigid. The personal exploration is as important as the larger picture we begin with.

    Deana and Annette – fascinating question here. Kibbe does connect body geometry (Image Identity, his term) with character. It’s not the “how you think and react and process inputs” that Meyers Briggs does. It’s not really the “how you behave socially” of how I see the Seasons. His is more of a presentation perspective, like looking at you from above. As with Season, some people will identify completely (I did and I know many that he got bang on) and others will not (maybe they’ll be Soft Classics with a very D personality). That’s fine. You have to look at this stuff like horoscopes, more the fluff and fun part, but not to get bogged into or let it guide your type. The meat of his work is in the body shape. Annette, I was so interested in your feeling that his work is not about how clothing looks on the body – or did you mean the same as I said, that personality and body type are not related? I was thinking that his book is all about how clothing looks on each particular body, and that he was astoundingly accurate in his advice about what flatters best. You are fortunate to sew for yourself. Great freedom from malls and marketers!

  25. Christine
    Yes I meant that personality and body type are not related. According to Kibbe I am a dramatic — although my body shape is more rectangle I do have very square shoulders and I am more swiney.
    I have found that I have to tone down my clothes to fit my lifestyle. I do keep the line detail and silhouette. Fabric choice is very important.

  26. Christine, this is all so informative and helpful. my first question is how common is it to get mis-diagnosed seasons? months ago i was draped and told i was a soft autumn, but this week a different woman draped me as positively true spring? are those 2 seasons commonly mixed up? i went in not knowing much, except that aqua makes me look very fresh and that most cool-toned colors can make me sickly. my eyes are a watery, warm/medium green with golden-amber flecks.

    my second question is if you think fragrance preferences have anything to do with seasons? I picture Springs loving the light, fizzy ethereal frags like Nanette Lepore and the Winters loving the dramatic Opium and Angel… and the Autumns loving the rich earthy scents like Samsara and perhaps the Summers like the clean, fresh scents the best like Guerlain’s Vetiver. Any opinions on seasonal fragrances?

  27. Oh I LOVE these discussions! Thanks to the amazing ladies at the yuku boards (some of whom I am also seeing on here) I have narrowed my Kibbe to SG/G. This helps for several reasons (one of which, Christine, you mentioned somewhat facetiously above but I wonder if it has any bearing one what type we are). I am a DA, yet I am very drawn to BSp and TSp colors, perhaps because they are soooo lively and happy and sometimes DA just seems so heavy and dark to me. That could be because I am getting used to the palette. It could also have to do with the Kibbe type. It could also have to do with my Gemini moon (for anyone into astrology, not just grocery store “horrorscopes” you will know what I mean by a moon vs. just a sun sign…my sun is in Taurus). I wonder if my sun Taurus (very earthy) is what draws the DA palette, my Gemini moon (very childlike sign) is what is so drawn to all the bright energy of the Spring palettes, and if the combined energy helps create the final package of SG/G, and the body/face shapes are a direct by-product of all these forces synergistically working together? Something to ponder eh?

  28. Have anyone considered Rachel Griffiths (Brenda) from Six Feet Under as a possible dramatic classic?

  29. I haven’t got any trouble with the D polyvore… I’m not crazy about prints, but the cut seems right. The all blue dress seems close and I would definitely be intrigued and take it to the dressing room, so adding that the dress also exemplifies a colour column – works just fine for a polyvore. The rest is just cosy, lovely and adorable… the monochromatic effort is not lost on me. Very beautiful. As for shoes… I don’t wear heels at all. Currently I’m actually living my life in a pair of men’s shoes (a narrower design). I think I’d just go with something very similar to FN shoes but made for bonier feet. But then again I’m a loafer kind of girl. And boating shoes. And moccasins. Just not in suede or nubuck; tend to look heavy. I like my shoes in smooth, not very shiny leather. My mother, most likely a D as well, favours a snappier, sporty look, so she often wears simple canvas shoes or boots veering equestrian. No heels on her either. Don’t know if that helps.

    I think of my colours (TSp) as making me feel comfortable and my Kibbe ID (D) as making me feel grounded. Or rather, they don’t MAKE me feel these things, they ALLOW me to feel the way I feel. I wouldn’t want to be without any of them, they’re both part of me in a fundamental way. They’re reflections of me as much as telling me who I am and who I want to be and I don’t want one without the other. For the first time I feel that I want to be me more than I want to be someone (anyone) else. Especially now that Kibbe advice has inspired me to go search for the perfect eye make up – suddenly everyone I meet look me right in the eye. And it took a perfect fan match to do it. Got to love dark khaki brown – EVEN if it’s described as “green” and comes across as a TA colour in the pan :-)

  30. Christine, his other book is also worth having (“A Book of Colors”), especially for some of the graphics and discussion on Hue, Tone and Image.

    With regards to Kibbe, I agree with you on the question of accuracy, in fact, it is quite amazing. I have also wondered whether a few additional types (or better, crosses between types) could be derived. In particular, something that accounts for a Yanged Classic style, but in the direction of less structure and detail as compared to Dramatic Classic. When I first started to figure out my Kibbe, I couldn’t quite see myself in any of the types, so I coined my style “Minimal Chic” and “Sultry Face”, to follow Kibbe’s way of expressing the presentation of each of his types. What I meant by this was a look that is classic in shape and line, perhaps even simpler and more minimal than Classic, and not tailored. But also with some flair, although not in the form of too much detail on the clothing itself. And makeup that has depth and definition but not too colorful (except for “feverish” check color), so that a darkish, smoky lid might be paired with just lip balm — I see this now as Kibbe’s “Exotic Face” for FNs.

    Thinking inductively from my own proportions, this Classic shape is not so much a predominance of c) balanced answers (speaking of body characteristics, mainly), but a mix of Yang and Yin and also some balance, quite similar to Gamines, but not in the extreme, more b), c), d) with possibly one a) or e), than a mix of a) and e). Also, although I can clearly see the FN element on my Yanged face, which allows me to incorporate color as flair, as per BSp/Kabayashi categories, I do not have the physicality of a FN, although N and D elements are present. I think I am concluding that there is a sort of reverse-Gamine type where a complex body type determines the need for simplicity, minimalism and a head-to-toe/ vertical line in clothing (this could be a Yanged body type, say, a V shape, that also has some Yin and balanced features: combination with X shape, not flat-chested, short-waisted, shorter rather than long limbed, not as tall as FN, not petite as many gamines). OK, I’ll leave it here, would love to know whether others have experienced themselves as a cross between the 13 Kibbe types! I’ll just add that personality-wise, this mix is totally me :)

  31. Christine, what Kibbes type do you think portrays Nicole Kidman? She seems softer than the dramatic, but i’m not sure. So much food for thought with Kibbes!

  32. I’ve been thinking about her lately. To me, I almost automatically click her into TR. The ladies on one of the forums, who are very clever with Kibbe, wondered about N. I could see SN. I must say that I haven’t dissected her build and face as they have, I just go by first impression. Kibbe is amazing to me, and you’re right. Some are SO easy and others SO difficult to sort.

  33. Christine, could you recommend a place to get a fan for TSp that includes the pink color you have in the romantic polyvore? I purchased the TSp fan from True Colour Studio in Australia and I love it, but it doesn’t include that shade at all. Thanks!

  34. It’s a good point you bring up, Deana. I’ve added it to the post. The colour isn’t in the fan because it is not strictly a TSp colour. The fan you have is absolutely correct. Once all of Sp yellow is added to red, you end up with much more coral pinks. But when I do these Polyvores, I can’t always have my pick of colours and styles together. If I held out for that, though maybe I should, I could get maybe half as many Polys together. I compromise because real-life shopping can be that way, at least it is in my life. Thank you for mentioning this.

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