Is Christine A Summer?

Is Christine A Summer?

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This topic comes up often. I thought it would be fun and instructive to try it out. We will see three videos of me in Light Summer, Soft Summer, and Dark Winter.

All three were filmed on the same computer, same background, identical lighting and location, within 30 minutes of each other. I wear a small amount of the same foundation. For each, I am wearing cosmetics in the middle of the darkness range for the Seasons.

My purpose is not to prove that I am Winter-based in my colouring. That’s asking too much of this medium. Many of our analysts (and clients) have met me in person and even analyzed me. You’ll have to ask them how they see my Season and appearance. They know that complete truth and nothing but the truth is what I send out and what I like to get back.

Here I am in full and strongly applied Light Summer makeup. IDK about you but all I see are eyes and no face. Could I be a Light Summer who needs to wear the darker colours to show up? That can’t be right, can it? How am I supposed to use that palette?

As Light Summer, at YouTube here or below:

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As a Soft Summer.

We are starting to finally see this person.

Does she look older? Is that a bad thing? All optical effects are a trade-off. A colour analyst could take any redness out of a face, though she would have to jaundice or drain the face to do so.  We can erase a face to look younger, in that bland, flat, undefined definition of young (rather than the strong, healthy definition).

I prefer to say that the best you is the real you. Surely, the best you cannot be the fake you. If some age lines are part of the real you, great. Wearing our correct colours, the viewer’s attention is on the intensity of the eyes and definition of features. Age effects become less noticeable because the overall picture contains so much more information.

As Soft Summer at YouTube here or below:

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In Dark Winter,

The video is here at YouTube if it doesn’t play for you below:



Does the yellow drape make the face yellow? Looks a bit that way.

Maybe it’s not that person’s perfect yellow.

Maybe yellow needs some management, as it often does on cooler colouring.

Could be that the lighting in the video is hardly ideal for knowing what is really occurring in reaction to the colour.

Or that the version of Dark Winter that I present is too intense and needs some toning down with my inherent warmth, saturation, age, and other parameters, to suit every person’s different visual preferences.

None of which disqualifies Dark Winter. Colour analysts in our group (Analyst Directory in the tabs across the top) work with you to adjust the Season to who you are inside it.

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78 Thoughts on Is Christine A Summer?

  • E

    This comparison is great – I think I have a better understanding of what the right color looks like. Thanks for posting this!

    It’s especially helpful since they’re all partly right. The amount of warmth is working in all three, so what isn’t is isolated.
    Light summer does create a pasty look, too much shine. Looks a bit masklike or puffy. It’s really interesting to compare how those colors look on you to how they look on me, since I’m also probably cool-neutral. LSu actually brings out the natural color in my face, and DW suppresses it – the opposite of what they do here.

    Soft summer seems close, and that’s what I was originally thinking you might be. The darkness is good, the warmth level is good, but as soon as you switched to DW you seemed enlivened, more energetic. It gives you an “awake” look and makes your eyes sparkle. It’s like something clicks into place.

    I’m not a huge fan of dark lipstick on anybody (I think it makes lips look thinner, and looks harsh), but the effect of those specific colors is still clearly more harmonious with you than the others.

  • Jasmine

    Hi Christine,
    I know when my hair is colored it creates some clash with the flow of my season, because it oxidizes. I am growing out my color to see if that creates a more harmonious affect, also growing it out because of the damage . Not sure if you color yours and none of my business of course , I ask only because I wonder if that might be a factor in perhaps some people’s perceptions of harshness?
    It’s really hard to get a sense of things through a computer monitor.

  • inge

    Christine, for me the is no doubt: DW looks the best, and I like SSu as well, especially the yellow drape- really. My only pet peeve is your eyes makeup, irrespective to the drapes, but this is a matter of personal taste, and you know better what makes you feel good.

    Thank you for posting the videos!

  • Pam

    Wow – what a great post!! Even though the true colors are not always replicated on screen or in photos, your demo and discussion helped me visualize the relative differences. You look fabulous in your season – remarkable to see the change. Wish you would do this same type of post showing you draped in each of the other seasons as well.

  • Jorunn Hernes

    Oh my, you looked tired in LSu… never seen you look this tired in real life, such a relief even to see the SSu compared to that, and then in the end, the radiant look of you in DW, it all clicks into place. The “lit from withn” skin, the white teeth, the sparkly eyes, just the way I know you. Thank you. Such a great blog post. And that last remark about red lipstick. Oh yeah. That is my mission too. Empower women to really dare to look big. Love the way you worded that.

  • Christine

    this was so charming! and fun to watch.

    the winter white was amazing to see, as did the winter yellow! with these two drapes it was easy to see the differences.

    I was really surprised how good the white did look, as its such a difficult color for most people. It was really flattering and effortless on you…

    this was really fun to watch and listen to, too

    Christine

  • E

    Pam, I’d love to see a video like this showing an actual summer in the same three seasons!
    That is probably getting too close to asking for the training course for free, though, I fear. These comparisons in identical lighting and surroundings are so enlightening: I feel like my vision is being fine-tuned by seeing them.

  • Lena

    I thought a PCA was supposed to be done with hair covered. Since you don’t do that in these videos, I find them worthless as far as judging your season. You may well be a Summer ( or some other season ), but with dyed DW hair, it’s impossible to know.

  • Jane

    Interesting!

  • Jane

    This has made me think about why I would actually like to be draped – it’s to see myself in TW drapes, and to see that they don’t work. It’s my favourite cluster of colours. However, I know from my own experience that they leave me behind when I wear them. Still, I would like to see the whole swathe of them in one go. There’s always that niggling question – what if I’m just not seeing it right?

  • Lauren

    I’d love to see True Summer since it seems like DW and TSu are often mixed up.

  • Daga

    Christine, it was a fun to watch, I like more of a chit-chat videos (I love yellow, too!), but with interesting thoughts as well. LSu was just horrible. SSu looked dull. I think all not-SSummers would look so in those colours… DW was so fresh, crisp, almost bright (meaning juicy) – you’re not only balancing the colours, you make them look beautiful, just like Kaarin did with SSu on photos. One has to see them live to appreciate the effect, I remembered DW drapes from my PCA as very dark, gloomy and sad.
    About the red lip… I decided I was draped without make up so I can balance my clothes without strong make up. I felt fashion idustry makes classic reds (overwhealming, too dark) or very dusted (soft) products or crazy, insanly pigmented ones (I can’t relate to despite being Bright). So I did my own lipstick 🙂 My very first red, matching my fan 100% with good coverage, red but not “radioactive”. It’s a bit less bright than red drape from my draping, but so are all colours in my fan (I wonder is it the same in SciArt or are the drapes the same?). The point is I looove it, I feel like I was born in it, it’s strong but natural, youthful and juicy, I seriously doubt it is intimidating someone around me. So your statement was a bit controversial for me, but you actually could be right.

    Jane, the draping is magic, I’m not talking only about the result. I was open minded but it did confirm what I suspected the most (many times it doesn’t I suppose) but anyway you see yourself in such depth like never before and you get to notice exactly what wrong colours do to your skin, eyes, lips, face shape and how beautiful you are when nothing hinders you.

  • ellen

    I do think dark winter looks best.. though makeup wise maybe stilll a tad harsh on the screen at times.- which is probably lighting. . But i do think features and color do play a part sometimes.. if your features where, rounder or you had a more ‘romantic ‘ aesthetic than maybe the summers would have worked better. But your generral voice, wanting definition etc in the features does seem to go better with winter anyway and what that colour does.

  • Abs

    Love you as a Dark Winter, Christine. Have you ever seen a redhaired or blonde winter who was a dark winter?

    • Christine Scaman

      Thank you for all the feedback! Such a nice thing to find.

      Abs – yes, but far more rarely. Not nearly as often as in TW and even more in BW.

      Daga – drapes sometimes match fan colours perfectly, though many do not. The textile industry simply does not provide this kind of matching. Terry and I do not choose colours with that intention at all. I also think it would be a disservice to people, taking us all back 30 years to a time when people thought they did have to match the palette perfectly. Many beautiful purchases were declined. How colour looks in a fabric swatch is also different from how it looks on canvas or vinyl or paper. We take time with clients to explain how to make the transitions. Your lipstick sounds fine to me – many women would give a lot to say the words you do below.

      Lena – you and I are of the same mind exactly. It is impossible to know. Even if the hair were covered, and the background and lighting were adjusted, our computers would change everything anyhow. What would be the point of doing all that? At least with the hair out, readers are reminded to draw the same conclusion that you did, the only correct one given the scenario above: Winter looks better but there are too many uncontrolled variables to say much. I think maybe that was part of what I was trying to show 🙂

      Lauren – TSu looks about like the other Summers. A Summer person harmonizes with much more any of the 3 Summer palettes than a W group of colours. TSu and DW have theoretical similarities but they don’t drape identically, though some better than others certainly. Makeup makes the disparity even more obvious. Actually, once folks see Summer on me, most will disqualify it. In live PCA situations, it is A and Sp where more confusion arises.

      E – I rarely, if ever in the future, ask private individuals for any images. They end up on too many social media sites and Google. Maybe some of content might be training course related, but honestly, only a tiny fraction of what appears on this site is mentioned in the 4 days of the course. PCA is more involved than people think. This site is dedicated to helping our clients understand what it does and how to use it. For sure, you can see some changes from the videos, mostly your reaction as one human being to another to the expressive power of appearance.There is a world of feature, line, shadow, contour, expression, and so on, that is not discussed. And then of course, we have the problem of not one single colour showing up the way your eyes would see it if we were in the same room together. Computers and photos do serve a very limited purpose, in the hands of those who recognize and stay well within their significant boundaries. I agree too about dark lips making a mouth smaller – especially where a smaller, tighter mouth as I have can look older and more severe. We’re all looking for the line, the red that doesn’t look too dark, too saturated. Ah well, 8 out of 10 experiments fail. For any of us to try anything new, we have to be OK with those odds or stay home. (Thank you to Inge, I’ll back off the eyeliner and probably be a lot happier! Is that what you meant about the eye makeup? I do wear a lot, and more in videos where makeup either shows up too much or not enough.)

      Jasmine – the hair for sure. I have about an inch or two of my own colour now at the top. The computer doesn’t show the difference well but you’d see it clear as day if we were standing side by side. On a younger DW, when this hair colour had been freshly used, I think it’s fine. My DW daughter used it, very similar colouring to me, and it looked great. Her skin was crystal clear. I think, without proof, that our pigmentation loses intensity and a hair colour that was once good becomes too dominant in the later years. Not that I’m against hair colour. Indeed, I’m totally for it in many women of all age groups who look and feel better. It just doesn’t matter if you want red lips or neutral ones, let’s just find you the best version for you.

  • inge

    Yes, Christine, I guess it is the eyeliner. I’ve notice in some of your other photos that you have beautiful northern-sea-blue eyes. Under a lot of eyeliner only they are still glimmering, but something is lost – well, at least on my screen.

  • inge

    Oops, the “only” in my previous post should not be there.

  • Elizabeth

    Question. Did you do Cool Summer? I’d like to see that one.

    • Christine Scaman

      I didn’t, Elizabeth. Lauren asked the same Q about Cool/True Summer, you can see my reply/reasons in the BIG answer to this post.

  • Tara Z.

    Love this series. So interesting! Would you mind sharing your DW makeup? (This is a purely selfish request. As a DW I’ve found many of your choices work well for me!)

  • Denise

    Thanks for the pictures! What is the red lip color you are wearing in the dark winter pictures? I loved your comments about a red lip!

  • Corinne

    The LSum is so obviously best even though you’re wearing foundation, hair down, etc. I can see your eyes. The lipstick in DW is just so awful. It looks like a little kid playing with Mom’s make-up. It’s clear you’ve got some hang-ups with comments about ‘baby colours’ and ‘excitement’ and being able to hold up a head. None of this has anything to do with how color analysis is meant to work, which is about harmony! It’s not about trying to transform the person into something they’re not.

  • Hilary

    This is fantastically illuminating. I could not disagree with Corinne, above, more. DW is so much better than either of the other two, and LSu is just very wrong. Thank you for doing this.

  • Vanessa

    What about fair-skinned winters, E? (Which do exist!)

  • E

    Corinne, disliking makeup is also a hang-up, isn’t it? I don’t like a lot of makeup myself, but if that lipstick were a dress or a pair of earrings, it would definitely be flattering.

    I guess if we could wear all our palette colors as makeup, Winters would look fine with black lips, let alone dark red, but dark red lips on a fair-skinned woman looks extreme even if it’s the right red.

  • Jasmine

    Being in my fabulous 50s too, I’m also dealing with the challenges of how to change as my coloring has morphed. Things that used to work don’t work anymore. Colors in my palate that used to be great well, I’m now finding other colors are working better within my palette. I didn’t notice these things until I saw photos of myself. Dark lipstick doesn’t look good on me anymore, some of the paler colors of my palette that used to be great now seem to blend in with my skin tone too much. Some things needed to be dialed back, and some things needed to be intensified.

    Thanks for doing this demonstration. I too prefer dw on u.

  • Michelle DW

    I watched all the videos and felt myself smile and breathe a sigh of relief when I got to the final one. Even with computer monitors and cameras the comparison is what makes it clear. DW gives the most cohesion, the most glow and is not just best, but best by a long shot. As a newly draped DW I feel very fortunate that you are one also. It was so fun to see those differences that I was not quite educated and objective enough to see at the time of my draping. It is not that you weren’t extremely lovely in the other drapes, but Good Enough has always been the worst enemy of Best Possible and this makes it very clear. Thank you!!

  • Corinne

    E, how can you say the red would “definitely be flattering?” How do you know? Here we are presented with a comparison of the sorts that Christine normally describes when deriding the competition – all of the many analysts trained by Kathryn herself who may be practising analysis in hair salons, etc, but who no doubt have a better eye and aren’t trying to defy the laws of nature. A) She is wearing make-up; B) several months of hair re-growth does not reveal the true color; roots are always darker, and what can we see behind that fringe?; C) video – what is the quality, what is the lighting, what can I see on my computer screen? (and back to A, we can’t even see her skin!); D) these are a few drapes, and they are drapes from a set Christine compiled herself – they are not the drapes created by Kathryn who was an artist and Munsell expert. Finally, for a whole host of reasons Christine wants very much to be a DW, so she can present us with photos and videos until the cows come home and they’ll never show us anything different than that. Who cares actually? I just find it quite unbelievable that so many people jump on this bandwagon without using their own faculties of discernment.

    • E

      Corinne, I *am* using my own discernment. The hypothetical blouse would be flattering because the color itself is flattering against her skin. It just looks wrong as the color of her lips. So would blue, or white.

      Of course no makeup at all would offer the best comparison.

      And I will agree with you partially on one thing; sometimes I get the feeling that there’s too much baggage around the winter/summer divide, where it’s treated as strong vs. weak. I think personality stereotypes tend to hinder people finding their colors more than they help anything.
      She didn’t drape herself, though. I believe she was draped by Terry, who was taught by Kathryn – is that right, Christine?

  • Corinne

    Also, talk about skewing the results – look at the lipstick she’s wearing in the LSum video. This is exactly the type of color Christine says in many articles is unflattering, particularly to older women who have lost natural pigmentation in their lips. It looks like it walked out of 1964. Look at the LSum with darkest hair on the Moda in Color pages. That is how great Christine could look in LSum. Vivid lips, a dark blue, vibrant colors, but that isn’t the version of LSum we’re shown here because… Christine wants to be a DW.

  • Daga

    Thanks for reassuring, I was aiming for the most natural appearance but I didn’t want to loose the bright seasons „zest”. I “expand” the fan when it comes to shopping for clothes and this approach is much more reasonable. When it comes to make up, replicating colours and making my own stuff was more fun, creative, organic (mostly natural ingredients). I wasn’t only guided by my fan but also by advice I got on my pca and a lot by what I’ve learned here (undertones, most flattering colours, cosmetics) so I’m grateful. I’m most excited about the red, but I’m proud to say I made everything I wear except for mascara.

    About your make-up – your lipstick looks great on full screen, hd (much better than on small photos ). Not crazy about the eyes (not that you look bad or anything, just to make it more perfect), on screen the colour of your liner and shadow matches your eye colour too much (it may not be the case live). I see greyish colour, I wonder if browns would be better for filming, not competing with eyes. When I made shadow out of medium colour I have in fan, similar thing has happened, it looked too much like my eyes (but live also). When I look more at video it may be caused by hair dye colour „steeling” a lot of warmth from the picture, including shadow. As you’ve said looking at photo is deceiving, that includes video.

  • Daga

    *”stealing” of course

  • inge

    Corinne, what I said was that she looked better in the DW colours, from all that we could see, and that for me, the makeup of her eyes is waaaaaay too much. Indeed, she does look quite cheerful in LSu colours, despite the white lips.
    For my part, this is the person I like, but I doubt that she cares. Yet she looks more “mature” and imposing in DW, and I know that this is something that Christine is looking for. This is the only think that can be said, with the data I have. I guess that you have the same data – you cannot say that Christine is deliberately trying to be a DW,

  • Daga

    Corinne, you sound like you believe Christine analysed herself recently and by her own drapes. What was shown wasn’t a PCA video and PCA takes more than comparing one set of drapes to another one. The argument is kind of pointless cause it’s not PCA, we weren’t there, we didn’t see. All we can say is that we saw as result was aesthetically appealing to us or not. PS. Not “holding the head” is a huge deal, it’s the element that destroys harmony the most. Christine might be focused on psychological aspect of it in this video, but colours “not holding the head” are too weak/light/faded/irrelevant comparing to head, therefore are looking like inserted from another picture, another painting, another palette… It’s the opposite of harmony, it’s lacking of balance.

  • Rachel

    I find it hard to believe that anyone can see the face in the opening LSu video and think they are looking at harmony, but I guess that’s why there are different approaches for different people. I see my Christine with invisible Saran Wrap over her face, flattening her nose and making her lips puffy and misshapen. The whole picture looks waxy and strange, the drapes both vastly less than the face and dissonant, two things that have no relationship. I don’t think Christine wants especially to be DW any more than anything else. I meet a lot of women who desperately want to be one thing or another but C just doesn’t strike me as that attached to it as an abstract concept, she is deeply practical and I believe loves what works for her about DW. I’m not her, so can’t say but that’s my impression. What never quite comes across in photography is the depth and noticeable autumn heat of Christine’s skin. Some DWs are fair, but Christine isn’t especially. Photography tends to swing it that way, because there is still quite a bit on contrast with her hair. I believe this is also what causes her makeup to look like more than it does in life. Sometimes, for my personal taste, her mouth is too dark. (And she won’t care one bit I said that) As mentioned, all of our palette colors are not lip colors, otherwise winters would wear black lips, and even summers would wear navy. Easy enough to shift it slightly, but I don’t really see why she should have to. The idea that it’s wrong to wear makeup you can see is preposterous. You’re an adult and you should wear your makeup however you want. To my eye, Christine looks the most healthy, present, defined, and just normal in DW. And that is how she looks in it in person as well.

  • inge

    Rachel, as I said, DW looks better on Christine, but all the fuss about the “dreadful LSu” is a bit exaggerated. She does not look groomed., yes, but she looks cheerful, despite the lip colour.
    If I’d met her wearing LSu, I’d like her a lot.

  • Lena

    I agree with Corinne. Whatever these videos are, they don’t prove that Christine is a DW although they are rigged to do just that. Christine says she left her hair showing because she didn’t have time to cover it and be left with flat hair that day; yet she has ample time to change her makeup several times. The whole thing is bogus and doesn’t help give PCA credibility. Christine wants to be a DW because she thinks it is a powerful “this woman can run a company” look, whereas LSu is baby colors and a “this woman can’t balance her checkbook” look. Okay, I get it. Fine. Methinks Christine has a few issues that go way beyond PCA, but then, don’t we all?

  • E

    Vanessa – I was talking about fair-skinned winters. It’s still an extreme look, even if the color is in her palette.

    Actually, all this shows a reason no-makeup comparisons are important: we all have personal associations and preferences around makeup that make it hard to look objectively at the colors. My associations with dark lipstick are not positive: they remind me of my mean 2nd grade teacher. I’m trying to look past that. What I like about LSu is that she appears to be wearing less, but what she is wearing is casting a sort of yellowish haze on her skin.

    • Christine Scaman

      There is a video coming soon in which I think aloud that in business, as in life, I suppose, it is important to attract the people with whom we can grow. Isn’t it equally important to un-attract (repel?) the people with whom we cannot grow? And either one without animosity, simply recognizing that differences of opinion can strengthen and define us, and it need not go beyond that.

      Of course, Lena is right, as a PCA, these videos are totally bogus. As for me wanting power – not just for me. For all women, though each will find it in a very different place.

      I’ve been draped by Terry and others, with her original Sci\ART drapes, my original drapes, and the 12Blueprints drapes. Despite colour inaccuracies and repetitions in my Sci\ART drapes, the results are consistently the same by those who believe PCA is done as I do. Clearly, not everyone does and that’s quite ok.

      Rachel – thank you, I appreciate knowing what people really think, as you know. I’ll be asking you if you mean too dark, too opaque, or both, so I can adjust things.

      The DW makeup is Mary Kay Spice N Nice lipstick (no liner) and MAC Grey Industry liner (a blued steel grey). Blush is Mary Kay Dark Cherry.

      I hope I’ve answered any questions – please do ask again or email me if I missed any.

  • Terry

    Christine, when you say LSu colors look like baby clothes and Summer colors are weak, do you mean that they are ALWAYS weak? Or are you describing how these colors can look ON WINTERS because winters need more saturation than the lighter seasons can give?

  • Terry

    Also, was the point of these videos supposed to show how an analysis works or just how people would see you out in public dressed as different seasons and how those seasonal looks differ?

  • Daga

    Lena, You say you get it but what I understood was completely different. LSu wearing her colours looks defined and capable (“of balancing her check book” if you choose this example). DW wearing LSu looks like she’s not – hard to achieve that when looking like wearing a pyjama… (Inge, I’m afraid that it could look like this if you’ve met DW wearing LSu pastels in person, it would probobly look more tacky than cheerful with light lipstick on dark seasons lips).

  • Chiara

    Thanks Christine, for so clearly showing the limitations of photography as a PCA tool!
    Some of the comments here seem to imply that Christine is ‘using’ DW to fill some deep inner need for power (?!?). I find this very difficult to believe-surely the power of PCA is that it enables us to cut through our ideas about ‘these are strong colors, these are approachable colors’ and develop as sense of ‘these are strong colors, approachable colors, on me’. As a LSpr D type, I look my most powerful in my creams and neutrals- but those clothes are not approachable, not the LSpr stereotype by any means. But put me in the same clothes in black, and I look weak and tired. I’ve lived the failure of those societal dictates about color, and it is the power of PCA to be freed from those dictates. If Christine is choosing to wear a palette because she feels the colors are powerful ones, not because they actually represent her best color place, then she is undermining the point of PCA. Why would she do that? Why spend so much time and effort promoting PCA as one route to authenticity, and not live the advantages and ease of that?

  • inge

    There is something about Christine in LSu. She does not look bad at all, but not very groomed. “Approchable” in this case, for me, at least, is that she seem to say: I am clean, pretty and good humoured, but I do not care very much about my appearance, because I have many other things to do. This is not what PCA is about, of course. But please, stop telling her that she looks BAD, oh so BAD, in LSu. It is not perfection, it is not appropriate for someone working in beauty industry, but she can go to a picnic wearing LSu a blouse and funny trainers, and everyone would be very happy with it. I guess that SA would be much worse.

  • Jennifer

    It was so helpful to hear your thought process during these videos, Christine. I have watched them several times, though and am more confused than ever. It is personal for me, having had 2 thorough, professional PCAs with different results. I have 2 fans and go back and forth, not being able to hone in on which seems to be best on me. Then I watch your videos and feel the same indecision. I can’t really see one as being better than the other, just different. It is like I am watching three sisters. LSu is the youngest and prettiest woman, it seems to me. SSu is the middle sister, the artistic one who doesn’t quite conform. And DW is the oldest sister with the professional job who is competent and powerful.

  • Jennifer

    I just wanted to add that it is interesting to look at the videos with no sound and ignore the colors – just look at your face. Am I imagining it, or are you smiling much more and with a more relaxed face in LSu? It could be that it was the first one so you were less tired, or the colors themselves could be energizing you (even if you don’t think they are your best ones). But that may be why I interpreted you as younger and “prettier” in LSu. That could be a dimension that gets overlooked in a PCA when we are staring straight faced in a mirror. The colors that make us look best not only don’t accentuate shadows, etc., but make us feel relaxed and happy.

  • Daga

    Inge, I was basing on what I see in real life more than on camera in my previous comment. Not talking about anything high and mighty, “fashion industry” appropriate. I know a woman who is constantly treated as a “silly blonde” because of her clothes and make up (LSu). People assume what she wears is cheap and that she is not well educated (in both cases it’s the opposite). More than once I’ve heard it from people, who I thought were smart enough to see beyond image… Don’t know her Season but I get to see how LSu colours are hard to wear for definite non-LSu and that colours, clothes project something more than just looking pretty or not (most people do think she’s pretty, similing and approachable). I have a comparison to a LSu who also wears feminine clothes and make up and gets to be perceived as nice, approachable, but somehow doesn’t have to carry the “baggage” of people assuming she’s less than they are.

    I sometimes wonder myself do colours always make such extreme difference (probably not). Is the importance of wearing your season’s is overrated (by me also)? Do we start to see too much in such trivial thing? But when I think of other options… How do we pick colours/clothes in general? On a whim. Because it looks nice on my friend. Because some people in fashion industry decided it’s what they will produce and I will wear. Because it’s comfortable. Because I don’t care. Because I would like to be this and that (taller, slimmer, more important) or just be another person and don’t really see myself. Because I want to fit in. To look young. To look pretty. Because I’ve seen it in magazine/movie/fashion blog and I “Like it”…. Which of the approaches is supposed to be better than philosophy of PCA? Better than trying to connect with the core of who you are. Choosing image that makes one look healthy, attractive but also having an impact on other people, being respected the way we all deserve. Seeing ourselves as beautiful. Those are the things PCA aspires to offer and for me it did (discovering image archetype was equally helpful to meet this expectations). I don’t underestimate my own thoughts, work, creativity to do that, but I had that before but I didn’t have tools that helped me achieve what I wanted. Don’t we all hear, “be confident”, “love your body” and so on… It’s really hard when you just don’t look your best, trying hard to fit into whatever type of body and colouring is in fashion and defines “beauty” in mass media or you let go and don’t care about appearance focusing on work and taking care of others.

  • inge

    Daga, I have never said that Christine-or anybody else- has to wear LSu colours all the time, and-God forbid 🙂 – dye her hair blonde! She does not look like.. me in brown, for instance, not that bad. 🙂 There are many messages running like “Oh, the dreadful sight, Christine in LSu, oh, how AWFUL”. Nothing that bad happens if she wears a LSu sweater during an excursion. (I am positive that she would not pick a baby pink one with bows and lace.) It is overreaction in her case.

  • inge

    Daga, and about how we pick clothes. Sometimes we really pick them according to our core. But it is the “inner” core, not the PCA. Christine does a very good job when explaining colour harmony, I learnt a lot from her. What I especially like about her is that she respects other people choices. She says: Here it is what I can offer you, how I see your possible beauty, but it is your choice. Let’s keep this spirit.

  • Daga

    Yes Inge, some people choose it from the core, but many (like me) need help to do so. I try to keep perspective – these are just systems, but really helpful in discovering yourself. I don’t mindlessly follow only adjust it, but I feel I build on “solid ground” and it’s so nice to have different beauty standards, ideals to look up to, that are achievable for me the way I am. Wish I had it as teenager, instead of wanting to be someone else.

  • inge

    Daga, if I knew how to chose my clothes, I would have not read this blog. Still working on it….

  • Daga

    Inge, I remembered something – not only LSu was suggested for Christine, I think I remember suggesting Sally Field type of G on other occasion, so yea, it could be baby pink sweater with cute little bows and lace 🙂 what some people see as the best. I really do think it would be horrible choice.

  • inge

    Daga, this would be terrible indeed, oh dear!! 🙂 🙂 🙂 I do not know, but for me Gamines do not go well with bows and lace. I have no idea, really.

    By the way, you are a BS, and live in Europe, if I am not wrong.
    Can you wear the brightest BS shades? I am not asking if you look good in the, which I am very sure of, but feel fine when wearing them at work, say. I really wonder weather a Bright person find it difficult of not.

  • Daga

    Inge, YinG’s such as Sally Field and myself can wear bows, small lace gracefully. If you talk about reaction of colleagues, I’m a freelancer, I meet clients and they react very positively – not that we talk about my fashion choices but they treat me seriously and I mostly make good relations with them. There are neutrals in the palette I could wear as vocal point, with some colourful addings to meet more conservative workplace. Most of my friends react positively, a friend liking soft colours sometimes say I looked better in them, but then looks at me and say that I really do look beautiful, but maybe I could tone it down a bit. Sometimes she’s right, cause “on occasions” I’m a walking rainbow, for everyday I incorporate both neutrals and colours.

  • inge

    Daga, thank you so very much! I usually wear quite soft colours, but am very often told by closed friends that I look better in brighter tones. (My mother says that I look like an old sad women in SSu colours. I am not longer so young, yet old and sad… 🙁 ) On the other hand, I am sort of afraid of brighter colors, and the reaction I’d got. So, thank you !

  • Jane

    I wonder if people’s cultural backgrounds also inform their perception of what looks “pleasing” on a person. Friendliness for some, reliability and common sense for others, ambitiousness for another. Brighter colours, more sombre colours, more contrasting colours. I think you look glazed like a pot in a kiln in the light summer colours, not so nice too my eye. Soft summer, meh, skin is dulled, I don’t think you look “bad”, just like a meek, people-pleaser. Probably a very nice, self-sacrificing type of person. DW, I liked the combo of the three drapes at the end. I think because of your hair/eyes/ skin, you can wear a number of colours together (yes, web-sourced information on colour value or something).

  • inge

    Jane, in my opinion you are perfectly right about the cultural background. Maybe PCA is not meant to control this variable, it depends on the preferences of the person after the analysis. And also maybe this is why opinions on the the makeup are in general so very different.

  • Daga

    No problem Inge 🙂 Try for sure, nothing bad will happen, do it especially if your current appearance doesn’t satisfy you. Maybe it will go so good with you, that you’ll let go your doubts. I’m being so particular or perfectionist here, because I talk about appearance we should aim for, look up to. Everyone is different but when I look at my SSu photos I see myself as sad and unhealthy but my face looks just like Christines in LSu. I don’t fully understand why, it could been because my foundation was more olive-yellow than I’d wear now and the ageing factor was “cancelled” by good shapes I was wearing… For me, the most ageing were style choices I made “to look more professional” which made me look shorter, shapeless, very dated instead (actually less professional) and it was ageing regardless of colours they were – but it may be typical G thing.

  • inge

    Daga, thank you so much!

    Christine, just one more word, to avoid confusion from my part: You look very good in anything, really, even in the photos 10 years ago. Many women would be happy to look like you in the bad LSu, shinny skin, white lips and everything. But you
    are right, DW brings out the best. Maybe somebody would see a better lipstick, or makeup (actually, the SSu makeup looks a little darker on you, IMO, I do not know how this is possible). You may interpret it as you wish, maybe some people would not be always happy with your choices. It does not matter, DW is the best.

    You must have needed a lot of courage to do these videos, and we, the readers, should be grateful- no matter what truth we choose to learn from them.

  • Jane

    Since you’ve looked into the question of whether or not you’re a Summer, would you be willing to look at the question – is Christine a Flamboyant Gamine? I believe your Image ID is Dramatic Classic – please correct me if I’m wrong. Have you ever been asked, or wondered, if you’re a Flam Gam?

  • Jane

    Also, just posting this here as not sure where else to put it and as you have an interest in Kibbe…why on Earth has Kibbe dropped the Natural category? I’m certain (as certain as one can be about these things) that I’m not a FN, definitely not a SN, the “soft yang” basis of N seems pretty much right to me, I fail to see how he could dump this category. Just wondering if you are privy to the workings of his aesthetic mind on this.

    • Christine Scaman

      Thank you, Daga 🙂 As they say, imagination is its own form of courage. I am so interested in how some things are so easy and fast for some people, and so difficult for me, and then the reverse. I quite like doing these videos. Even this presentation and discussion is not particularly vulnerable – though other things would be. Edges interest me. Rachel’s recent diff between plain and simple has had me thinking. In the LSu and DW videos, there is a difference between funny and happy. I appreciate that you take part in these conversations. Your voice adds a great deal.

      Jane – for sure, both types of G have been suggested, and often. You just gotta spend some time with me. I am so not polarized. In every G I know, most especially the Yangs, finding where the extremes of Yin and Yang are expressed is easy and obvious, though I’m still learning to move beyond these observations to the right conclusion. I don’t really have these extremes. I might be small-side, but very medium. And one big WASP to meet. I’m like the Ultimate Square. I have no idea about dropping the N category, I don’t even know where he publicizes his information, or where to go looking for it.

  • Ellie

    The soft summer blue and the dark winter blue comparison was really fun to see! To see either one separately you might not think there was *that* much difference, but to be abe to freeze both videos and compare I really got the ‘sharpness’ of the dark winter blue. Loved seeing the dark winter yellow too, and am now thinking how different that bright, saturated (and on screen apparently quite warm and buttery) yellow will look if put beside true spring’s yellow. Without seeing both side by side it’s hard to pick up those fine details that make such a difference.

  • Daga

    Thanks Christine, it’s really nice to hear it 🙂 I think it takes to really see someone to grasp the difference. People are focused on their assumptions and likes, or they just wonder around face, make up and clothes thinking about something/someone else and it prevents them from seeing a person who’s in front of them. Everybody does it to some extent (often when looking into mirror). I like that harmonious appearance helps to create honest interaction. Ps. I also think Rachels example is excellent.

  • Lisa Kelly

    oh boy – your face in LSu makeup and drapes is honestly freaking me out a bit. When i study it, i see its from several things – to me, your eyes are receded, shadowed. The whole front of your face rather flattened – and those lips! (so strange, to have seen that LSu blue be so ravishing on others). Yes, SSu is a definite relief in comparison – but then suddenly in DW, as others have commented: the eyes sparkle, the edges of the face are crisp, that “grey” feel is banished. And the mesmerising jolt of energy when all 3 winter drapes are on you – just wow. And nope, in no way an analysis or confirmation or indeed anything other than a bit of fun, really, while trying to hold some variables steady and knowing your season. Love that you thought of it

  • Jenny

    I agree that pics and videos are deceptive when it comes to PCA. But for comparison, if the light and other variables are kept constant, it’s actually reliable IMO.

    We need super good light in order to see skin/hair effects in pics and videos. But even when we don’t have good light, the pics and videos will show what’s good and what’s not so good. Not by looking at skin color, which often cannot be judged because of bad light and camera limitations, but by looking at how the drape colors appear beside the person’s skin/hair color. Looking at it this way, pic PCA is not bogus at all. We just have to look at the colors, not the person – the opposite of what we often do when draping IRL.

    The LSu colors look to light/bright here, along with your face and hair. (They would look great on a LSu person, though) SSu colors look so “expensive” and harmonious on a SSu person, but on you they just look dark and/or drab. Colorless. DW colors look nice here. The yellow looks rich and exciting, for instance – a very good sign!

    I agree that your lippie is too dark in the video. I guess this is not true IRL? I think a good rule of thumb for lippie colors is to go by your eye color depth and clarity. If your eye color is not very dark, but medium, then your lippie should be medium as well – never typically light or typically dark.

    I admire your charisma in all the videos. It’s so great to see a woman being herself and showing her persona so much as you do. Thanks a lot for great entertainment 🙂

  • jenny

    I’m not the Jenny above, but another ‘Jenny’ 🙂 I can really see with these videos what you mean by ‘presence’, Christine. The LSu and SSu colours look nice enough, but there’s something distracting about them – I kept looking at the eye shadow colours, then at the lighter swatch, then the darker one, then at your hair colour… whereas in DW colours, it’s as if you’re in the room with me and I want to join in with the conversation. Thanks for these videos.

  • Melissa

    Color Analysis sure is complex! After spending hours on your site I believe (I think) that I am a soft summer. But there is one thing I just cannot let go… my hair color is so confusing! I was born with a mop of black hair… it later turned reddish blonde as a toddler, than as a young child it was a blonde/brown color with red highlights. At the age of ten my hair went a medium brown then finally rested at an ashy light medium brown. My skin is fair, blue veins, very true blue eyes with no gold in them (just blue with white crackles and a dark blue border) It does not matter what color my hair dresser chooses, I always pull red. Even with ash colors, I constantly have to tone my hair. My favorite hair color was a bayalage (sp) technique with a level 7 golden brown base and caramel highlights. My stylist started to get heavy handed on the highlights and made them lighter and I looked terribly worn out and tired. I went to another stylists who, like most stylists, said I would look great with auburn hair… and they were somewhat correct. It looks great, my eyes pop, but I feel fake when it gets too red. I need to keep it just a bit of copper mixed with a level 7 brown color. Anyway, blue, silver and grey looks great on me. Especially med and dark blues and gunmetal silvers. I have a fair share of mustard and rusts in my wardrobe, but I feel best in my silvers and blues and my skin looks healthy in those colors. My question is.. if everything about me falls into soft summer but my hair wants to pull copper red, can I still be a soft summer?

    • Christine Scaman

      Anything is possible with hair colour, Melissa. Too much fooling around with hair colour usually means that the clothing colours are not quite right or the woman’s ability to totally see herself objectively got a little lost (and we’ve all been there, trust me on this). You totally cannot understand your Season by your hair colour. Once Season is known accurately and clothing and cosmetics are right, hair suddenly looks gorgeous and all the colour messing about stops. Kind of like you no longer buy the same lipstick over and over looking for a very particular effect.

  • Su

    The deep winter colors seem forced and even though you can’t always tell from pictures, it should not feel unnatural. So, to answer the question, “yes” I Christine is a summer. Her coloring looks too delicate for the winter palette and this seemed obvious to me in a photo she posted a while back with her lighter natural hair color.

  • Michelle

    Wow. The difference is pretty obvious to me. The first thing I notice in light summer is you have no chin. And then yes your features look rather moonlike and undefined. Soft summer blue was better but the yellow and white were just drab on you. Dark winter is beautiful on you. I am surprised you have gotten negative comments on your makeup. It seems rather presumptuous given that personal taste plays such a big role in makeup. I don’t mind that a friend who knows you in person might say, I really prefer you in this other lipstick, especially if you have asked her for feedback before. Yours looks beautiful, including your red lipstick. Don’t change a thing.

  • inge

    Su, I had the same reaction first, but realized that what I do not like is the makeup. I know from experience that one could look the more delicate in less than delicate colours. Look at the print “Floating between worlds ” by Hokusai. (The second on this page http://www.citystatearts.com/246/) It is really delicate. But can you imagine it with a grey frame? Or a light blue one? I cannot, and think that the picture would be diminished. A slender black frame would be much better. The makeup is another problem, but this is very much subject of interpretations and, alas, fashion trends.

  • inge

    Corrigendum: It it the print “Fuji from Shichirigahama” by Hokusai, on the page “Floating between worlds “.

  • Kathryn

    You look great in your DW colors, Christine! And I think you hit the nail on the head when you said that the correct season’s colors should stand out above all the rest, even if your exact best colors are slightly different. A lot of people don’t get that. I’ve had to tweak my Soft Summer shades and tonalities quite a bit since I got it, and yet I cannot argue that it is consistently, hands down, the best of all the 12 seasons. The Sci/Art system is one of numerous, good starting points for the journey. It doesn’t really matter from which station you get on that train. You are going to tweak something in any system, and many of us find that the systems of analysis end up meeting somewhere in the middle anyway.

  • Kesa

    LSu is obviosly not the right answer. DW is a way too heavy. Of course it looks powerful and bold, but not natural or harmonious.

  • Lynn

    I wonder why to add makeup between trying different season drapes? It´s obvious anyone would start to look more like a winter type when adding more strong and dark colouring on one´s face.

    In my opinion, the analysis should be done with no makeup at all – using makeup surely changes our true characters and colour saturation a lot. It can change our appearance dramatically.

    When thinking my own colouring, the obvious “one and only” correct analyse appears very easily when looking in the mirror with no makeup at all. I could surely wear quite harsh colours with a bright lipstick and a harsh eye makeup, but with no makeup my face would completely dissappear. It would be hard to tell wearing a bright or dark makeup whether the clothing makes me look ill or healthy, especially if the makeup is already too much to imitate natural beauty.

    And that´s the main point of it all I think. Finding your TRUE colouring and the colours that enhance them and make you look even more beautiful.

  • Elizabeth

    I’d like to see you in True Summer.

    • Christine Scaman

      But, Elizabeth, if Light Summer makes me look like one of those bank robbers with a nylon stocking pulled over their head, and Soft Summer looks sad and flat, how likely is it that True Summer will solve both issues and pull out any magic? I mean, you might be right, I haven’t tried it and we never ever know about colour without testing, comparing, and looking with human eyes in real time, but the odds seem low. Your thought is sound though. If we think on it, both Dark Winter and True Summer are slightly warmer, muted versions of True Winter. They have a lot in common. It’s just that DW is muted with orange and TSu is muted with pinkish gray, very subtle nuances.

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