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One Woman, Two Versions 4

One Woman, Two Versions 4

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  • "; ?> Francine

    This is the most confusing item in this series yet. Other than completely different lighting, or maybe it’s the camera or some other digital factor, these two looks are super similar. Yes, her hair and clothes are a little different, but it doesn’t make a lot of difference to her presentation as far as I can see. The makeup seems very similar, and she looks like a friendly, nice person in both. ???

  • "; ?> Suzanne

    Bright Spring?

  • "; ?> Charlene

    To me, she is successfully pulling off a bright season in both photos. On top she is Bright Spring and on bottom she is Bright Winter. The lipstick may even be the same in both photos and it really suits her. Eyeshadow and blush (and perhaps skin tone) seem cooler on the bottom. I have to go with the top photo. Her eyes reach out to me so much more there and seem to pull me in. On the bottom she seems cooler (pun intended!) and more reserved. The makeup seems to sit on her skin, rather than being integrated with her.

  • "; ?> Deb

    Cool is – cool.
    Strikes me as really interesting how much warmer makeup is pushed upon the market. At least it feels that way.

  • "; ?> Christine P

    I don’t know what you are all seeing but I see cleared and even skin in the second compared to the first… very pretty eye makeup scheme in the second

  • "; ?> Mary

    @Deb, I agree that cool is sometimes deemed “cold.” I’ve seen and heard women encouraged many times to warm up their face with bronzer or add warm highlights to their hair. I think it may have to do with equating visual heat to emotional warmth, or at least attempting to convey that.

  • "; ?> Kim Lec

    The first photo: slightly off, the colours. Skin looks too pink & uneven. Brows too heavy and warm.
    The second photo: Snow White. Pure skin colour, even tone, more relaxed quality to the expression. I don’t know the season, but the second photo seems to be the real “her”.

  • "; ?> Jan

    I’m stumped. In the top photo, this very lovely woman’s face matches her neck and chest; in the bottom photo it doesn’t. In the top photo the eyeshadow looks muddy, but not in the bottom one. Top photo shows a slightly uneven complexion, but a much smoother look in the bottom photo (which could be the lighting). On my monitor, it’s a bit difficult to differentiate between the two lipsticks. I see positive and negatives in both photos so I’m unable to choose a preference.

    • "; ?> Christine Scaman

      I (and the model in the photos) so much appreciate the honesty with which you are perceiving and responding to these images. The willingness to work in a space where there is no right answer is one that can frustrate the left brain of many people to the point that they won’t venture in. With no data, nothing with which to compare or measure, no conclusions offered, there is no opening for right-wrong answers.

      In a formal PCA setting, we work with many markers, objective yes/no answers, calibrated measuring tools, but none of those are available here. We’re left with our reactions to another human being from a more visceral-emotional level. But that’s how we respond to others, isn’t it? We don’t say, “Your pores were smaller yesterday.” We say you look healthy or rested, or beautiful in the sense of the total image. Often, what we are expressing is that we feel relaxed around this visual portrait, we don’t feel any tension around “What is real?” or any pressure to decide “What am I supposed to know? What if I’m wrong?”

      Even with students, in the beginning, they can be so busy with technicalities that they are distracted from accessing their reaction to an entire human being. Often, one we begin asking them using specific prompts and questions, they find that it is difficult. They will learn to consider not only the client’s self-perceptions but their own also. For instance, “Why can’t I tell which face is tired or angry?” “Why did I like the top photo and most other comments prefer the other one?” “Why did I pick this yellow out of the 4 choices and everyone in the room thought it was the worst one?”

      In no way is it my plan to impose my taste on any other person. But we are all responding to a common visual reality and there are common answers to certain questions once those questions are asked. And if you’re not with the norm, does the majority get to rule? No but I’m beginning to wonder if students with a similar idea of beauty and elegance to mine and Terry’s would have an easier time and/or streamline into our community better as prospective students. IDK, I’m still thinking about this. I very much want the right person in the right job from our student pre-training interviews.

      Sorry, off on a tangent of what’s been on my mind. Let me ask a couple of open-ended Q. If you were to go back to this post and the 3 previous, stay up above the details and think about the 2 Q below, would your answers stay the same?

      1. Which woman is on a quest to find herself, to try out a look and see how it goes, to try what others are doing, to dazzle somebody even if it means she has to work at it, is somehow pushing more energy outwards than is quite normal for her?

      2. Which woman has arrived? She knows who she is for better or for worse, she is going to make the very best of it and get on with the rest of her life. She has self-knowledge and is settled with herself. Take it or leave it, this is what I am. She is not striving to be another. She wants to dazzle somebody but this comes easily to her, the more she dazzles, the more relaxing and right it feels to look at her.

      Today’s post is more challenging because as you all saw right away, this woman was close to her own colours to begin with. Some makeup colours and applications might have changed but Season didn’t change, or not very much. In the totality of this person, you might find one image seeming more forceful, “I can do anything I want and I want everyone to know it. I’m not here to please anybody and I want the job.” As you react to that, ask yourself whether you as a person don’t feel comfortable with that sort of person. Perhaps that just feel too showy or maybe even pushy or you feel threatened, but if it’s the truth of another person, then as a colour analyst, it is our job to go beyond our own feelings of who we do and don’t feel easy to be with. The world needs everybody.

      If Champagne Fizz (our lovely model’s words) is who she came here to be, then we will sense the least tension, the least need to please somebody else, when she shows that face. Should it turn out that our mother once said, “A lady would never be champagne fizz. She invites harm and criticism, mark my words!”, another level enters our own perceptions that bring us a new awareness about ourselves independent of the woman standing in front of us.

      Which might bring us right back to the beginning – where does personal taste fit in? There are plenty of people walking around in incongruent apparel and cosmetics, yes. And they think they look fine or great or they would have made other choices. But do they look calm and settled in themselves? Do your eyes believe the story that they see? Would you step out on that ice?

  • "; ?> Mary

    Thank you for the interesting and thought-provoking commentary, Christine. I feel a little uncomfortable (all the way up to a lot uncomfortable) when I see people wearing what feels to me like some version of a mask. In the majority of cases it feels well-intentioned in the sense that I do think this person has a vision of what they find appealing or wish to project/embody and are hewing as closely to that as they are able to given their own specific parameters and abilities at the time. I always want to know who someone *is.* The subject seems to pivot around the sense that many people *don’t* know who they are at the core. Or they hold onto a mental and aesthetic vision of themselves from years ago when they felt better/more themselves.

    I like how PCA can catalyze new awarenesses. E.g., If this is the full potential of the season, and I am this season, how might I expand the borders and boundaries of my own self-perception? Confidence lifts everyone. It may shine a spotlight on another’s insecurity by comparison, but even that is a gift. Who are we measuring ourselves against that we are coming up wanting? At the end of the day, doesn’t it just feel good to relax and let go? That’s all every single one of us wants, anyway. To feel good and lovable and loved in our own skin. Yet it is impossible to recognize or receive externally without first recognizing and claiming our own intrinsic beauty.

  • "; ?> Melina

    Hmm, not very easy, but I’d say the makeup in the 1st photo seems too cool for her, especially the lipstick… And in the 2nd, it’s perfect for her, so I’d imagine she’s a warm (or warm-neutral) season (?). Anyway, it makes an interesting change from the way-more-often-seen *too warm* makeup and hair color 🙂 (This probably has a lot to do with what Deb and Mary wrote above, of warm colors seen as more positive…)

    Also, the colors of her top in the 1st photo seem to me too strong, too dominating for her, somehow.

  • "; ?> Jennifer

    To my eyes there is really no contest since I think she looks much more beautiful in the second photo. Her skin looks so much smoother and like pure ivory rather than pinkish. Even her teeth look whiter. I can see a difference in lighting, which may partially account for this. Like the commenter above, my first thought was also “Snow White.” I also agree with some of the comments about how we are used to warmer makeup – cooler colors are a bit of a statement in and of themselves. It makes me want to experiment with cooler colors in makeup myself because I have pinkish skin – although I am probably a different season than this woman.

  • "; ?> Kim A.

    Oh dear, definitely the top photo. I ‘m drawn to the authenticity and ease there. Both photos tell me she has a vitality of spirit. But the print and color in the top photo seem to align with and amplify that vitality, whereas the dark top below sucks it away. Or at the very least, contributes little that helps me understand who the woman underneath is.

    With that smile in the second photo, it’s clear she’s an attractive friendly person, but there’s an incongruence that makes me uncomfortable. I see careful makeup on smooth skin, but the colors aren[t right, and the heavy application ends up looking fake and artificial. I’m unsettled, and feel bad for her that she tried so hard and may have wasted her time

    Using words to describe the effect of the photos, but in truth, I felt these things in a flash, before words.

    I can also think of the second photo this way: She has generously allowed Makeup to share space on her face, whether it suits her personally or not. I can see a woman who believes that spending time and effort to present a groomed face to the world shows respect for others, certainly compared to wearing no makeup. She’s naturally tuned into group norms and maintaining harmony with others. That she has a unique inner light of her own to shine on the world may not be especially relevant or interesting to her. Depends on the assumptions you start out with. She might be surprised though how exquisitely sensitive some of us are to that light of hers and the loss we feel when it goes missing,

    Or maybe she does know there’s a light but isn’t sure she recognizes it when she sees it. Anyway, a fascinating exercise. Many thanks to your model.

    • "; ?> Nomi

      “I can see a woman who believes that spending time and effort to present a groomed face to the world shows respect for others, certainly compared to wearing no makeup. ” Are you saying that people who present a clean, unpainted face to the world are not showing respect for others? I hope not.

  • "; ?> Jane

    I don’t really see a huge difference in either. The eye make up in the top photo is too heavily brown for my liking, but then, I’m not hugely into blue glitter sparkles either. I think she looks fine in both photos.
    This series is definitely interesting, but when the comparison is this close – it seems close to me – it raises another question about the idea that there’s “one look” out there that’s more perfect for you than another five or six looks. The “seasonal palettes” have a range within each, I would think each person has at least five or six pretty good, quite different styles of makeup and colour combining available to them, per season.

  • "; ?> Jo

    “…calm and settled,” I like that phrase, Christine. The word I’ve been thinking of is “integrated” throughout the series. What takes my breath away with all four of the models in this series each woman looks so more comfortable, confident, secure – in her own being in each case . She’s not a showcase for any of her makeup, or how the makeup performs on her, she’s not just great eyes or lips – she’s not just a canvas – she just is who she is, the best unity she can be. I love these. I want to be around women who are secure as these women. I aspire to such integration and expression in my own self, my own presentation. Thanks to you and to these lovely, generous women who’ve shared these records of transformation in photos with us.

  • "; ?> Mary

    @Jo, I really enjoyed how beautifully you expressed yourself

  • "; ?> Ricarda

    Hm, to me the model in the first picture looks more balanced or harmonic or real:

    I see the strong eyes sparkling, the teeth and eyes are white, the colors and forms surronding the face seem belonging and/or in harmonic contrast. I mean the bold pattern of the shirt which repeats the features of the face and the blue and white backgrond. I feel presence and energy and vitality. This person can reach me immediately. I smile back.

    In the second picture I see an evenly colored whitish face without much features or three-dimensionality. A bit pasty and powdery. Against this the white of the eyes looks yellowish and dull and set back. And the white of the teeth looks clear and hard, somehow advanced. The lipstick looks a bit too warm, I see conflict with the pink in the skin, it is sitting on the top a little. And the glittery light blue eyshadow looks just strange for me. Not belonging (only in harmony with the blush and powder maybe), too week in intensity to build a working complementary contrast for the iris. Too sparkly to ignore or blend in. It tries to steel the show. The eyes recede — but then they glow stronger than the coolish skin- and eyeshadow colors can outshine — back an forth: I am frowning the more I look. The total effect on me is like that: “She ist trying to look harmless, young and etheral but it is at the expense of her passion, sparkle and power.”

  • "; ?> Lisa

    Her skin does look better in the second photo, but it could just be the lighting or the foundation that is different.? The color of the lipstick in the second picture really stands out and collides with the color of her eyes, they just don’t go together. And then there is the blue eyeshadow that, even though it might be a good choice colorwise in theory, just feels outdated.

  • "; ?> Rachel

    I don’t enjoy posting negative comments, but the first photo does look more harmonizing to me. I can’t seem to see past the makeup in the second. The part where I notice it the most is where the lipstick meets her gums, making them look more pale. I do realize that the photo might not be accurate to real life and I agree that bright makeup looks perfectly natural on some; but to say it bluntly, makeup ought to look like part of the woman, photo or not. Does that make sense? I hope I haven’t been rude. I’m pretty sure Chrisitne doesn’t mind, as she’s all for constructive conversation. 🙂 But I don’t want to jolt this beautiful woman around in her new colour season; because after all, Christine is the colour expert. 🙂

  • "; ?> Jane

    It is a super-tricky one. I also feel that the contrast between white and iris is sharper in the top photo, isn’t that meant to be quite important? Her irises look fuzzy in the 2nd photo, but could be that the photo isn’t particularly sharp. But in the first photo I find my eye bouncing between her mouth and eyes, mouth and eyes, and not really settling anywhere. However, I have to agree with the comment about the “evenly coloured whitish face without dimensionality” in regard to the second photo. I suspect camera angles are making finding a resting place for the eye quite difficult in both photos.

  • "; ?> ruth

    The idea behind this series is a good one, IMO, but I’m afraid I find it frustrating that we are being asked to comment on pairs of pictures taken in different lighting conditions, on different days (7 years apart in one case), possibly with different cameras…I just don’t see how we are supposed to make a meaningful comparison. In the present case, the model does look more serene in the second picture, but who’s to say that simply isn’t down to a difference in mood? I

  • "; ?> Mary

    Thank you to all who have contributed their voices here and to Christine especially, for creating this space where I’ve learned so much about color, and through it, myself.

    I am the model above. I feel inspired to say something because some of what’s been said is so disharmonious with my perception and understanding of myself. This is a very multifaceted subject–appearance and its attendant implications and nuance. I cannot speak to how others perceive me, only how I feel about myself and how I integrate my inner and outer lives. I would say that I have had an innate sense of what I like and worked for me color and style-wise for a very long time. I am very sensitive to energy and color can be read and felt emotionally as well as visually.

    I have definitely amped up the “me-ness” in terms of how I present myself in clothes and makeup since learning more about PCA. What actually catalyzed this thread was a conversation between Christine and I regarding how polarizing vibrant color or seasonally-accurate color can be at times. I am particularly attuned to it because I’ve seen many of my retail clients have strong reactions to print and dramatic color, both of which I personally enjoy and resonate with.

    There are a few things a viewer here would have no way of knowing. I have mineral foundation on in the second photo, barer skin in the first. My eyeshadow and liner in the second photo is all gray and taupe; there’s actually no blue at all. It’s an optical effect of the camera, though I actually still find the silvery-cadet blue shimmer very pretty. Self-awareness, actualization, and spirituality are probably *the* most important things to me. PCA appeals because it brings all aspects of self together and presents it in a unique, streamlined (and in my case, glittery) package.

    I can look at both photos and see truth about myself. The first photo is a couple years old and was the furthest boundary of expression for who I was at the time. It was certainly authentic for then. Like all of us, I’ve grown and evolved since then and my clothes–and particularly my makeup–reflect that. I am clearer and more focused and more sharp in the sense of having stripped away a lot of extraneous internal weight. I feel my current appearance accurately reflects that.

    So far as color goes, I will say that clear contrast and saturated colors bring my features into sharper focus. Looking at myself in the mirror, I am still drawn to my eyes when I am wearing vivid red or pink lipstick. Softer colors soften my face in a sort of mushying way that feels inauthentic. I’m very decisive when it comes to what I feel is best for myself and it doesn’t surprise me (in fact, it delights me!) that my palette should echo that feeling and strength.

    I find people’s journeys fascinating and hopefully, my sharing this aspect of mine will help deepen and clarify some points in the conversation.

  • "; ?> Jan

    Mary, thank you for your open, honest, and heartfelt reply to all of the comments. At the end of the day, it only matters how we feel about ourselves; it’s up to each individual to define themselves. We have to be happy with who we are and our choices.

  • "; ?> Mary

    You’re very welcome, Jan. I agree — it’s a very powerful and freeing experience to feel good in your own skin and one I feel we all definitely deserve.

  • "; ?> Julianna

    The lighting is different it seems in the two pictures; but my guess is the top one is bright spring makeup and the bottom bright winter. The bright winter looks so much better. Her skin looks clear, even colored and smooth, whereas in the top photo it looks too pink and blotchy, and slightly yellowed. Warm colored makeup turns Winter skin into mud. That’s what it does to mine, a bright Winter–turns it to clay!

  • "; ?> Deb

    Hi Mary- Cool as in ‘right on’ and ‘relaxed’. Responsive rather than reactive. Your skin looks lovely. A charming picture. I’m always interested when Christine reminds us so many women are Winters.

    • "; ?> Mary

      Thank you very much, Deb. That’s lovely.

  • "; ?> Julia

    In the first picture, the contrast seem to be a bit too overwhelming for the eye colour, too bright wintery or something like that. In the second picture the eye colour gets more attention, and so does the person behind them. My guess is that it’s a combination of winter and autumn. She still needs bright colours, but with a touch of autumn, to let the eyes be more beautiful. That’s basically what the second photo does: bring out the eyes more. It seems more sophisticated and real. And it does wonders to the eye colour.

  • "; ?> Julia

    Or rather… now that I’ve inspected the palette for true winter more closely: that would also fit. So autumn needn’t be part of it. True winter or dark autumn, something like that.

  • "; ?> Dalma

    The top one is great. She looks strong, like she knows who she is. I feel the makeup and clothes are in harmony too.
    The second one feels fake, like she’s trying too much (no offense). I would say it’s too warm.

    Seriously, the top one is gorgeous.

  • "; ?> Elizabeth

    This series finally showed me what Christine has been saying! I get it now. The women in their right colours look in focus, themselves, real, unique. The women in wrong colours look generic, unfocused somehow. It’s like a sketch compared to a hi-def photo. Or even a photo compared to the work of a really good caricaturist! The caricature artist pinpoints and brings to your attention the things that make each face unique and unmistakable. That’s what correct colours do. It’s so simple, and doesn’t require fretting about whether skin looks clearer or not after all (thank goodness, I could never see it…). Bravo, Christine!

    • "; ?> Christine Scaman

      Well said, Elizabeth. In many places, I keep saying, “I can’t SEE her.” realizing that few really know what that means. You almost have to see it on a real person first, but you caught it, I think. Real, in focus, 100% here. This may be where PCA systems diverge, or one of the places. That synchrony where all the building blocks stack up perfectly, clothes, hair, makeup and they make one another more, defining the full and complete presence of the person, is what I read as harmony. More simply put, as Kathryn Kalisz said to me once, when colours conflict, lines can’t find focus.

  • "; ?> Jo

    Love these last two wise offerings, thank you. I just flipped back through. I so see this harmony! Thanks for the Big Picture, for teaching us visually!

  • "; ?> Olga

    If the person is a smoker, the skin isn`t great, plus permanently yellowed and dull somehow. I suppose it is an overtone…? Then, to put this person in focus you`ve to ignore that or not?
    Or it is just like the others?

    • "; ?> Christine Scaman

      The skin of longtime smokers might be a little grayer at the outset, and might seem a little less reactive in some people, but overall, it is like the others and when the colours are in harmony, the lines will focus.

  • "; ?> Denise

    I wonder if she’s wearing bright spring colors in the top photo and true winter in the bottom one. My guess would be that she’s a bright winter and that both photos miss the magic just a little. I wonder if debates about “which is better” happen when a woman is not in her own category in either picture 🙂

  • "; ?> Evie

    It’s tough – both pictures are winter, right? The lipstick and even the background in the first seem a little warm & bright, making her appear flushed, but it’s hard to tell how much is the colors and how much is the smoothing/lightening effect of the bright flash in the 2nd picture.
    That fuchsia lip on top does give an unsettled feeling though, especially so close to the warm red in the shirt.

  • "; ?> Meredith

    Both pictures are not really harmonious. Lips are both to obvious. Blue eye shadow is not harmonious. First is by far the better but the lip is too pink. She reminds me of myself when I was trying all the possibilities. Many wrongs before a right. From all I’ve read on this site and it’s branches the comments about it being obvious or wearing the women must apply here or all the other comments be apologised for.

    • "; ?> Christine Scaman

      Meredith, I’m sorry that you don’t find the information on this site useful. From your comments here and to the Spring and Autumn Natural post, I wonder if it’s not only the writing style but also my approach to PCA that do not align with what you hope to learn. A Google search for ‘seasonal colour analysis’ should bring up blogs that explain things more clearly using a similar approach to mine, and different companies and philosophies entirely. Consumers need choice in how beauty is defined, how information is shared, and how businesses operate. Thank you for sharing your feelings candidly. I appreciate that honesty can be the most difficult, albeit most constructive, road.

  • "; ?> Amke

    I also had difficulty with this one. All in all the colors in picture two seem more flattering and in harmony but something didn’t feel quite right. I can imagine, that it is the sparkle of the eyeshadow and the shinyness of the lippie. Her skin looks so nice and powdery, but the makeup, though the colors fit really well, somehow “stick out” too much for my taste. Maybe, having a more matt look would make the colors blend in smoother with her skin?

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